Waterfall
Posted 04/02/2014 - 16:03
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DrOrloff wrote:
If you worried about cliches then you wouldn't photograph anything. There are gazillions of images on the internet so very little that hasn't been seen before.
Just photograph what you like. It's original because it will be yours and nobody elses. The trying too hard to be different photo with odd composition, whacky for the sake if it angle or just plain load of blurry crap is just as bad in my book.
Quite. Shoot what you want to, because you want to.
If you worried about cliches then you wouldn't photograph anything. There are gazillions of images on the internet so very little that hasn't been seen before.
Just photograph what you like. It's original because it will be yours and nobody elses. The trying too hard to be different photo with odd composition, whacky for the sake if it angle or just plain load of blurry crap is just as bad in my book.
Posted 04/02/2014 - 16:47
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... The problem is that once you've seen every man and his dog publish countless pictures of Acid trip HDR scenes, Single Tree in a field, Sunsets, Long Exposure waterfall, Long exposure beach with Groynes, Motor Racing with blurred tarmac and grass, etc then for me it does kind of water down the value of such pics...
and I was hoping to be able to cover the next 'Slutfest', but I think that genre has been done already!
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... The problem is that once you've seen every man and his dog publish countless pictures of Acid trip HDR scenes, Single Tree in a field, Sunsets, Long Exposure waterfall, Long exposure beach with Groynes, Motor Racing with blurred tarmac and grass, etc then for me it does kind of water down the value of such pics...
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Posted 04/02/2014 - 19:15
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darkskies wrote:
Great to see the feedback and the humour being taken in exactly the right way.
Personally, I'm still (almost) at the point where nothing is a cliché. Still a newbie, really. I've only ever taken a few milky water shots, so it's new to me. If I ever get a chance to take a photo of Durdle Door (which is unlikely) then I'll take one, as I, personally, have never taken one before, though 6 trillion (approx.) other people have.
But, like smeggy so eloquently said, only the outstanding images stand out, when so many similar shots have been taken and presented.
So, QC, carry on taking milky water shots if you want to (I will!) because practice is good and, when, one day, that striking opportunity rears in front of you, you'll be able to do it justice. That's what I keep telling myself, anyway!!
This is great, I totally agree!
Great to see the feedback and the humour being taken in exactly the right way.
Personally, I'm still (almost) at the point where nothing is a cliché. Still a newbie, really. I've only ever taken a few milky water shots, so it's new to me. If I ever get a chance to take a photo of Durdle Door (which is unlikely) then I'll take one, as I, personally, have never taken one before, though 6 trillion (approx.) other people have.
But, like smeggy so eloquently said, only the outstanding images stand out, when so many similar shots have been taken and presented.
So, QC, carry on taking milky water shots if you want to (I will!) because practice is good and, when, one day, that striking opportunity rears in front of you, you'll be able to do it justice. That's what I keep telling myself, anyway!!
Posted 05/02/2014 - 00:07
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DrOrloff wrote:
If you worried about cliches then you wouldn't photograph anything. There are gazillions of images on the internet so very little that hasn't been seen before.
Just photograph what you like. It's original because it will be yours and nobody elses. The trying too hard to be different photo with odd composition, whacky for the sake if it angle or just plain load of blurry crap is just as bad in my book.
My comments were not a binary thinking, black and white situation and your polar opposite response of not photographing anything or putting individuality over quality are both missing the point. If you worried about cliches then you wouldn't photograph anything. There are gazillions of images on the internet so very little that hasn't been seen before.
Just photograph what you like. It's original because it will be yours and nobody elses. The trying too hard to be different photo with odd composition, whacky for the sake if it angle or just plain load of blurry crap is just as bad in my book.
I totally agree with "photograph what you like" and I'm not trying to police what anyone photographs, but the fact remains that there's a few scenes that are far more clichéd than the others. Single tree in a field, Sunsets, long exposure water, etc And most examples aren't even photographed in an imaginative way and look sanitised.
As an example, I can't remember who it was, but someone here posted a sunset not so long ago that had a huge growth of mistletoe in one of the trees. Some peeps suggested it would should cloned out, but that was the very feature that made the image stand out from the millions of mediocre, sanitised sunset pics.
I know I harp on about Vivian Maier a lot and I make no apologies for it, but here's an example of one of the most photographed scenes in the World, the Pyramids and Sphinx at Giza, that's had a more inspired approach given to it by the inclusion of the back end of a Horse.
http://www.majalla.com/arb/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Maier_Egypt-Horse.jpg
It's not one Maier's best pics, but it illustrates her mind set.
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Posted 05/02/2014 - 00:57
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As far as the original image goes, there's a vertical branch running to the top just left of centre, I'd crop it just to the right of this branch and use it as a vertical shot (possibly cropping the bottom too). I don't think the left hand side of the image adds much and it detracts from the waterfall.
There are so many 'cliches' it's hard to know where to start. Maybe it's because of the web (or my memory), maybe because x10 ND filters are all the rage, but I've seen many more milky water shots recently than I can remember from the time before DSLRs arrived.
I've never been one for turning a vaguely cloudy sky into an ominous/foreboding, black, rolling thunderstorm strewn looking sky. Might look dramatic (or be proof of skilled printing/post processing) but I find it detracts from the rest of the image (here's a dramatic sky with some obligatory landscapey stuff underneath).
I've only shot one HDR iamge (using the in-camera feature of my K-5), it was to cover a larger dynamic range than the sensor could deal with and the result looks natural to me (as it should really). Although maybe I could have concentrated on the framing/exposure/contrast a bit more (shot in a rush). Most of the 'highlight' strewn HDR shots I've seen make me wince - looks more like an 'edge detection' filter has been applied.
But then again, I lost interest when the 'hip' thing to do in PS was adding lens flare to an otherwise 'un-flared' image.
John.
There are so many 'cliches' it's hard to know where to start. Maybe it's because of the web (or my memory), maybe because x10 ND filters are all the rage, but I've seen many more milky water shots recently than I can remember from the time before DSLRs arrived.
I've never been one for turning a vaguely cloudy sky into an ominous/foreboding, black, rolling thunderstorm strewn looking sky. Might look dramatic (or be proof of skilled printing/post processing) but I find it detracts from the rest of the image (here's a dramatic sky with some obligatory landscapey stuff underneath).
I've only shot one HDR iamge (using the in-camera feature of my K-5), it was to cover a larger dynamic range than the sensor could deal with and the result looks natural to me (as it should really). Although maybe I could have concentrated on the framing/exposure/contrast a bit more (shot in a rush). Most of the 'highlight' strewn HDR shots I've seen make me wince - looks more like an 'edge detection' filter has been applied.
But then again, I lost interest when the 'hip' thing to do in PS was adding lens flare to an otherwise 'un-flared' image.
John.
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If you worried about cliches then you wouldn't photograph anything. There are gazillions of images on the internet so very little that hasn't been seen before.
Just photograph what you like. It's original because it will be yours and nobody elses. The trying too hard to be different photo with odd composition, whacky for the sake if it angle or just plain load of blurry crap is just as bad in my book.
For what it's worth I much prefer the composition of the original to the cropped version. For my personal taste I would only put in a portion of the cropped versions PP as I like the more subtle tones of the original as well.