Trying 'RAW' -- some queries.
Posted 21/06/2011 - 10:48 - Helpful Comment
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The sliders only affect JPEGs, not RAW files.
A photograph taken in good conditions and exposed correctly will often need very little adjustment in RAW. However, I find that levels and focus always benefit from some tweaking.
RAW comes into its own when you don't get it right in camera. But once you get a good process going, RAW doesn't take any longer to deal with than JPEG. This is definitely true in Silkypix, which has the ability to apply a set of corrections to a batch of pictures. I imagine most software does this nowadays.
Personally I use sRGB because that is best for Windows and for the Web. If you print a lot, you might do better with Adobe.
G
A photograph taken in good conditions and exposed correctly will often need very little adjustment in RAW. However, I find that levels and focus always benefit from some tweaking.
RAW comes into its own when you don't get it right in camera. But once you get a good process going, RAW doesn't take any longer to deal with than JPEG. This is definitely true in Silkypix, which has the ability to apply a set of corrections to a batch of pictures. I imagine most software does this nowadays.
Personally I use sRGB because that is best for Windows and for the Web. If you print a lot, you might do better with Adobe.
G
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Posted 21/06/2011 - 10:53 - Helpful Comment
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I find RAW of particular benefit in situations with mixed lighting, such as large halls. Instead of constantly having to check and amend the WB setting, to save time, leave the camera on Auto WB and make the adjustments when you process.
Posted 21/06/2011 - 12:12 - Helpful Comment
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Hi Peter,
In answer to your questions:
1. As George says, the sliders, image style etc only apply to JPG. In fact, you can use it to your advantage. For example, you can set the picture to monochrome - and the embedded JPG that's stored inside the RAW file (and the separate JPG file if you are shooting RAW+JPG) will be monochrome. The RAW data will be completely untouched
2. RAW is completely unaffected by white balance. I generally use Auto WB, as the K-5 has very good auto white balance. Most often I'll use the K-5's settings directly in the RAW development software (Lightroom or Silkypix) but I can always override that in the software.
3.& 4. No, RAW isn't a waste of time Let's assume you have a perfectly exposed shot, with correct white balance - using out-of-the-box settings in the RAW software you'll probably see little difference. However, you have a lot more latitude in the RAW - for example you can use "Fill Light" to bring out much more detail from the shadows. As a practical example, I covered a friend's wedding in full sunlight with the K-5 in RAW. The dynamic range was massive and the embedded JPGs struggled to cope with both the shadows and highlights. However, in Lightroom I could tweak the settings to effectively compress the dynamic range and make everything less harsh. I didn't need fill in flash at all (Which saved my arms no end!)
You end up with much more scope for creative control of overall exposure - even when it was right in camera.
Additionally, with Lightroom I can use graduated adjustments which mean that I rarely have to use ND Grad filters anymore It's unbelievable what can be pulled out of the murky shadows in RAW
5. When shooting RAW it is irrelevant what the colour space is on the camera (at least on dSLRs - large format backs are sometimes a different matter!). The colour space (sRGB or AdobeRGB) only affects the embedded JPG. When you use your RAW conversion software you can decide which colour space to output to. This is handy... you can set the camera to sRGB, and use sRGB for 99% of your work within the PC. If you decide you need a wider colour gamut for an individual shot you just re-export to a wider one (like AdobeRGB or ProPhoto). Easy
Hope that helps!
Matt
In answer to your questions:
1. As George says, the sliders, image style etc only apply to JPG. In fact, you can use it to your advantage. For example, you can set the picture to monochrome - and the embedded JPG that's stored inside the RAW file (and the separate JPG file if you are shooting RAW+JPG) will be monochrome. The RAW data will be completely untouched
2. RAW is completely unaffected by white balance. I generally use Auto WB, as the K-5 has very good auto white balance. Most often I'll use the K-5's settings directly in the RAW development software (Lightroom or Silkypix) but I can always override that in the software.
3.& 4. No, RAW isn't a waste of time Let's assume you have a perfectly exposed shot, with correct white balance - using out-of-the-box settings in the RAW software you'll probably see little difference. However, you have a lot more latitude in the RAW - for example you can use "Fill Light" to bring out much more detail from the shadows. As a practical example, I covered a friend's wedding in full sunlight with the K-5 in RAW. The dynamic range was massive and the embedded JPGs struggled to cope with both the shadows and highlights. However, in Lightroom I could tweak the settings to effectively compress the dynamic range and make everything less harsh. I didn't need fill in flash at all (Which saved my arms no end!)
You end up with much more scope for creative control of overall exposure - even when it was right in camera.
Additionally, with Lightroom I can use graduated adjustments which mean that I rarely have to use ND Grad filters anymore It's unbelievable what can be pulled out of the murky shadows in RAW
5. When shooting RAW it is irrelevant what the colour space is on the camera (at least on dSLRs - large format backs are sometimes a different matter!). The colour space (sRGB or AdobeRGB) only affects the embedded JPG. When you use your RAW conversion software you can decide which colour space to output to. This is handy... you can set the camera to sRGB, and use sRGB for 99% of your work within the PC. If you decide you need a wider colour gamut for an individual shot you just re-export to a wider one (like AdobeRGB or ProPhoto). Easy
Hope that helps!
Matt
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Posted 21/06/2011 - 12:54 - Helpful Comment
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Btw, photoshop 7 will edit raw files. Maybe it hasn't got the right converter for your PEF files, but you can download it or simply shoot in DNG format. For me the main advantage of RAW is much better noise reduction. Especially with lightroom 3 but photoshop is also very good. You can also pull back more detail into highlights and shadows which you would have to sacrifice even on a 'perfectly' exposed jpeg.
Posted 21/06/2011 - 13:40
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Many many thanks for all you 'Digital Experts' -- I HAVE tried that 'Silkypix' but just could not understaand all the 'lingo'then found the FastStone Image Viewer as mentioned on ePHOTOzine and can use that OK.
Pentaxophile : had a look at your 'Flickr' set -- lots of photos of a New Baby ! My first one is 43 and with wife No. 3 second daughter is 13 and boy 12 so no more baby pics for me !
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25850987@N03/
Pentaxophile : had a look at your 'Flickr' set -- lots of photos of a New Baby ! My first one is 43 and with wife No. 3 second daughter is 13 and boy 12 so no more baby pics for me !
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25850987@N03/
Been a member of Pentax Club since the Ron Spillman era! Got COMPUTERISED at last - DIGITISED?
Taken the PLUNGE - BUT FILM STILL RULES !!!
Taken the PLUNGE - BUT FILM STILL RULES !!!
Posted 21/06/2011 - 15:14
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They're my nieces, Peter. Well hopefully you'll have some grandkids to chase around with the camera at some stage, hopefully not tooo soon though
I really like your Flickr sets by the way... very quirky and eccentric, obviously something in the water in your corner of Essex!
I really like your Flickr sets by the way... very quirky and eccentric, obviously something in the water in your corner of Essex!
Posted 21/06/2011 - 20:02
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Ha Ha -- my 43 year old daughter HAS made me a Grand Dad with a boy and a girl ! Yes, you must try the water here all the way from the Suffolk and Essex Water Company -- there is the sewage works in Nag's Head Lane !
Been a member of Pentax Club since the Ron Spillman era! Got COMPUTERISED at last - DIGITISED?
Taken the PLUNGE - BUT FILM STILL RULES !!!
Taken the PLUNGE - BUT FILM STILL RULES !!!
Posted 21/06/2011 - 20:16
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Peter Elgar wrote:
-- there is the sewage works in Nag's Head Lane !
The Nag's Head is not your local, I trust.-- there is the sewage works in Nag's Head Lane !
G
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Posted 23/06/2011 - 12:26
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Yes; The BIRMINGHAM Pipe Smokers WON the competition !! My pics are all in this week's 'Brentwood Gazette' two-page spread.
Been a member of Pentax Club since the Ron Spillman era! Got COMPUTERISED at last - DIGITISED?
Taken the PLUNGE - BUT FILM STILL RULES !!!
Taken the PLUNGE - BUT FILM STILL RULES !!!
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1. Do you have to 'turn off' all the sliders in the Menu to'O'? I left them as I use for JPegs -- saturation and sharpness UP one click from the middle, contrast in the middle.
2. I took some tests -- boy's fish on' Flourescent Daylight'balance,outdoors in garden on 'Cloudy',wife by windowlight on ;'cloudy'a doll by 'flash' balance and the RAW lookes all OK already in FastStone Image Viewer.
3. I did a 'levels' and had to make only minor adjustments,then converted to 'Save As' JPegs and left the file size large as I was going to print some test 6x4" prints -- they came out very well but cannot see any difference from JPEGS straight away !
4. Is RAW a waste of time as I usually get the exposure and colour RIGHT in camera .
5. the Local Press told me to set camera to RGB Colour Space not sRGB so that;s how I keep it set for my Press Photos --does shooting RAW have any effect on the 'colour space' ?
Taken the PLUNGE - BUT FILM STILL RULES !!!