tried RAW -- it's rubbish !
Posted 15/03/2014 - 01:00
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Photoshop CS2 system requirements
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I've had a look at fastone and it is pretty easy to process a RAW, you can edit levels and curves, you can crop, heal and clone, do colours, lighting, noise and sharpness. Not bad for basic editing and free.
CS-2 is nearly 10 years old. The Minimum system requirements ( which is always way below what you'd need for a sensible workflow ) is even mroe ancient.Photoshop CS2 system requirements
Windows
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CD-ROM drive
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I've had a look at fastone and it is pretty easy to process a RAW, you can edit levels and curves, you can crop, heal and clone, do colours, lighting, noise and sharpness. Not bad for basic editing and free.
My Intel Core i930 ( 2010 ) which I've overclockedto just under 4GHz is now getting long in te tooth. I originally built it with 6Gb of RAM, but a few months ago upgraded to 24Hb of ram to squeeze some more life out of the machine.
You wouldn't even run windwos on 380Mb of RAM these days, never mind load anything on it as well.
Image file sizes are a lot bigger than they were in 2005 as well.
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Posted 16/03/2014 - 13:35
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Regarding editing of RAW files, I use Photoshop CS6, but whatever version of PS you use, you must get the latest Camera Raw plugin to be able to access the latest camera's files. I also set the camera to RAW+ & the raw to DNG. DNG files are more versatile than PEF. When shooting with RAW files, you are working with the maximum DR of your sensor(the raw file is a copy of what the sensor sees, nothing less). Any adjustments you have set in camera ie. sharpness/contrast etc. will only be on the jpeg file not on the RAW, but by shooting RAW+ you get both versions side by side, which makes it easier to identify what your RAW's are of and what PP you need to apply.
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Posted 16/03/2014 - 18:55
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Smeggypants wrote:
My Intel Core i930 ( 2010 ) which I've overclockedto just under 4GHz is now getting long in te tooth. I originally built it with 6Gb of RAM, but a few months ago upgraded to 24Hb of ram to squeeze some more life out of the machine.
That's just so old school Smeggy. If you switched to using software that properly offloaded it's processing to the graphics card you wouldn't need anything like that sort of power let alone trying to squeeze more life out of it
My Intel Core i930 ( 2010 ) which I've overclockedto just under 4GHz is now getting long in te tooth. I originally built it with 6Gb of RAM, but a few months ago upgraded to 24Hb of ram to squeeze some more life out of the machine.
Posted 16/03/2014 - 19:19
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gwing wrote:
Unfortunately Adobe doesn't do a version of Lightroom that uses Graphics card processing
Smeggypants wrote:
My Intel Core i930 ( 2010 ) which I've overclockedto just under 4GHz is now getting long in te tooth. I originally built it with 6Gb of RAM, but a few months ago upgraded to 24Hb of ram to squeeze some more life out of the machine.
That's just so old school Smeggy. If you switched to using software that properly offloaded it's processing to the graphics card you wouldn't need anything like that sort of power let alone trying to squeeze more life out of it My Intel Core i930 ( 2010 ) which I've overclockedto just under 4GHz is now getting long in te tooth. I originally built it with 6Gb of RAM, but a few months ago upgraded to 24Hb of ram to squeeze some more life out of the machine.
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Posted 16/03/2014 - 23:23
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Smeggypants wrote:
Oh well, never mind. I'm sure they'll bring it up t date some time
gwing wrote:
Unfortunately Adobe doesn't do a version of Lightroom that uses Graphics card processingSmeggypants wrote:
My Intel Core i930 ( 2010 ) which I've overclockedto just under 4GHz is now getting long in te tooth. I originally built it with 6Gb of RAM, but a few months ago upgraded to 24Hb of ram to squeeze some more life out of the machine.
That's just so old school Smeggy. If you switched to using software that properly offloaded it's processing to the graphics card you wouldn't need anything like that sort of power let alone trying to squeeze more life out of it My Intel Core i930 ( 2010 ) which I've overclockedto just under 4GHz is now getting long in te tooth. I originally built it with 6Gb of RAM, but a few months ago upgraded to 24Hb of ram to squeeze some more life out of the machine.
Posted 17/03/2014 - 00:56
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FASTSTONE does handle RAW. First it shows the embedded JPG then by hitting 'A' it loads the RAW. But, as Darkmunk suggests,it's not so good as using a proper RAW developers such as Lightroom or ACR, I'd certainly not base my opinions on RAW files after only having used Faststone.
So no, RAW is certainly not rubbish - far from it
So no, RAW is certainly not rubbish - far from it
Posted 17/03/2014 - 10:16
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Well -- I certainly got a LOT of comments by saying something Digital is RUBBISH !! If I had said Ilford FP4 + was 'rubbish' I wonder how many would have bothered to answer -- I will put my card with my 'RAW' photos into computer again and find it in FastStone and hit 'A' as was said ( never heard of that actually as the photos have 'DNG' underneath and I set K10D to take ONLY RAW not RAW+JPeg)
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Posted 17/03/2014 - 10:38 - Helpful Comment
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Remember Raw has a JPEG embedded in it anyway.
Hitting A forces Faststone to render the raw data (which will really make your machine chug I'm guessing Peter).
But my understanding is that Faststone only uses the basic, default converter to do the work. Nothing fancy, but it might show some more detail.
Hitting A forces Faststone to render the raw data (which will really make your machine chug I'm guessing Peter).
But my understanding is that Faststone only uses the basic, default converter to do the work. Nothing fancy, but it might show some more detail.
Posted 17/03/2014 - 12:27
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Peter Elgar wrote:
.never heard of that actually as the photos have 'DNG' underneath and I set K10D to take ONLY RAW not RAW+JPeg.
RAW isn't a picture, it's data. When you shoot RAW only, the camera creates (and embeds) a preview JPG, it's this JPG that you see on your camera LCD.
.never heard of that actually as the photos have 'DNG' underneath and I set K10D to take ONLY RAW not RAW+JPeg.
Posted 17/03/2014 - 18:56
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sledger wrote:
JPGs aren't pictures either they are also just data. Any image file needs decoding before it can be displayed. A preview jpg is created simply because it's quicker and easier to decode to then display
Peter Elgar wrote:
.never heard of that actually as the photos have 'DNG' underneath and I set K10D to take ONLY RAW not RAW+JPeg.
RAW isn't a picture, it's data. When you shoot RAW only, the camera creates (and embeds) a preview JPG, it's this JPG that you see on your camera LCD..never heard of that actually as the photos have 'DNG' underneath and I set K10D to take ONLY RAW not RAW+JPeg.
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Posted 17/03/2014 - 19:13
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Its terminologies really, isn't it? There is a difference I think - what we consider 'image' files are 'rastered' into a pixel based bitmap type - that can be seen directly on a display device. RAW is not like this.
The JPEG preview surely is created simply in order that we can actually see what the RAW image looks like in order to manage and organise it?
The JPEG preview surely is created simply in order that we can actually see what the RAW image looks like in order to manage and organise it?
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Posted 17/03/2014 - 19:36
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Well, I found my 'RAW'photos again in FastStone and selected one and pressed 'A' and a HUGE photo appeared so I did some 'Levels' and other things but I couldn't see any difference from what I did before OR what I get from a JPeg ----
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Posted 17/03/2014 - 20:01 - Helpful Comment
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Peter, I think you would have fun messing about in a 'proper' RAW editor. It's possible your picture couldn't be 'fixed' but other images would show a big difference. The k10D has less leeway (like positive film) but it would still be interesting to have a play with some software a little more powerful. Maybe when you get your shiny new machine
Smeggy, your semantics are completely unhelpful here and meaningless in almost all branches of discussion.
Smeggy, your semantics are completely unhelpful here and meaningless in almost all branches of discussion.
Posted 17/03/2014 - 22:54 - Helpful Comment
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Peter Elgar wrote:
Well, I found my 'RAW'photos again in FastStone and selected one and pressed 'A' and a HUGE photo appeared so I did some 'Levels' and other things but I couldn't see any difference from what I did before OR what I get from a JPeg ----
You may not find any difference at all Pete. If you take a shot that is properly exposed, and get the white balance right, and the subject doesn't have too wide a range of contrasts, and you don't want to play around with it too much in post processing doing stuff like digging out shadow detail etc. then raw isn't going to going to offer you anything over jpeg. If that sounds like raw won't offer you anything for the vast majority of 'normal' shots where you 'take them properly' and 'pretty much accept the picture as shot rather than editing it to excess' you have got it right.Well, I found my 'RAW'photos again in FastStone and selected one and pressed 'A' and a HUGE photo appeared so I did some 'Levels' and other things but I couldn't see any difference from what I did before OR what I get from a JPeg ----
Yet raw can offer significant advantages at the expense of manual work controlling the raw->image processing the camera does automatically for you. Particularly so if the subject has a wider contrast than than jpegs can accomodate and then the extra dynamic range available from raws really does give big advantages - if you know how to process it. Also, if you are going to do a lot of editing, the jpeg image will start to break down much earlier than the one coming from raw. If you just want to process your raws to do the same sort of thing the camera does when it produces its jpegs you may as well not bother and instead just let the camera do the work.
The best analogy I can think of is that jpeg is like taking transparencies where you just have to 'get it right in camera' and raw is like using print film and having your own darkrooom to control the printing. Actually even with jpeg you have quite a lot of editing capabilty available so it isn't as 'bad' as slide film but the analogy between the two is still valid I think.
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I've had a look at fastone and it is pretty easy to process a RAW, you can edit levels and curves, you can crop, heal and clone, do colours, lighting, noise and sharpness. Not bad for basic editing and free.