Sensor resolution, lens resolution and image quality

dcweather
Posted 28/02/2011 - 23:56 Link
I have just been reading Frogfish's excellent thread as I am thinking of making the same change. Whilst I was pondering this I wondered about other factors than the lens in getting the best image quality. Everything comes with a price, usually for a reason. Then there are rate limiting steps and diminishing returns. As I "only" have a K-x will these more expensive lenses give me much improvement in IQ over my DAL 55-300 which has been pretty damn good as a starting point? In sheer sensor resolution 12mp is pretty good but there must be more to say a K5 than just the extra 2mp. So in order of improvement in overall image quality should I go - lens first body second or the other way, which net, is actually cheaper.

K-x, BB bar Tamron 500mm mirror, TeleTakumar f5.6 200mm, DAL 55-300, Chinon 50mm f1.4, Tamron SP 60-300mm, Raynox 150, AF360 GFZ

http://my.opera.com/dcweather/blog/
johnriley
Posted 01/03/2011 - 00:09 Link
Looking at your lens list there are not many new DA lenses there. I think new lenses are generally better for digital cameras. Your K-x should not limit your photography, it's capable of very fine results. I would concentrate on the lenses.
Best regards, John
cabstar
Posted 01/03/2011 - 01:12 Link
Invest in quality glass, it makes all the difference...
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Opethian
Posted 01/03/2011 - 01:47 Link
I second the lenses argument. The K-x pretty much stands it's ground. You'll have more room to work with when you opt for the lens.
Smeggypants
Posted 01/03/2011 - 03:46 Link
I would invest in quality scenery ....


http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/


I'm somewhat of a hypocrite because I've spent thousands on lenses, but it's taught me on thing .... you can still take a world class picture on a £40 lens.



...
[i]Bodies: 1x K-5IIs, 2x K-5, Sony TX-5, Nokia 808
Lenses: Pentax DA 10-17mm ED(IF) Fish Eye, Pentax DA 14mm f/2.8, Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8, Pentax-A 28mm f/2.8, Sigma 30mm F1.4 EX DC, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.2, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-FA 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.7, Pentax DA* 50-135mm f/2.8, Sigma 135-400mm APO DG, and more ..
Flash: AF-540FGZ, Vivitar 283
Edited by Smeggypants: 01/03/2011 - 03:46
Smeggypants
Posted 01/03/2011 - 03:52 Link
dcweather wrote:
I have just been reading Frogfish's excellent thread as I am thinking of making the same change. Whilst I was pondering this I wondered about other factors than the lens in getting the best image quality. Everything comes with a price, usually for a reason. Then there are rate limiting steps and diminishing returns. As I "only" have a K-x will these more expensive lenses give me much improvement in IQ over my DAL 55-300 which has been pretty damn good as a starting point? In sheer sensor resolution 12mp is pretty good but there must be more to say a K5 than just the extra 2mp. So in order of improvement in overall image quality should I go - lens first body second or the other way, which net, is actually cheaper.

K-x, BB bar Tamron 500mm mirror, TeleTakumar f5.6 200mm, DAL 55-300, Chinon 50mm f1.4, Tamron SP 60-300mm, Raynox 150, AF360 GFZ

http://my.opera.com/dcweather/blog/
Ok ..... Frankly I would have been happy if the K-5 was only 10MP


What gives the K-5 the great IQ is not the MP, but the dynamic range and great high ISO performance.

As I said in the previous post I admit my hypocrisy as I love the IQ of a great lens, but I realise that it means nothing when it comes to the artistic side of a great shot.

The K-5's dynamic range and ISO performance has allowedme to grab shots I could not have done on my K20S/K10D

So ..... given the 'gun to the head' choice between ...

1] K20D and great glass

and

2] K-5 and £40 glass

I would take option 2]


of course K-5 and great glass is preferable to both
[i]Bodies: 1x K-5IIs, 2x K-5, Sony TX-5, Nokia 808
Lenses: Pentax DA 10-17mm ED(IF) Fish Eye, Pentax DA 14mm f/2.8, Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8, Pentax-A 28mm f/2.8, Sigma 30mm F1.4 EX DC, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.2, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-FA 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.7, Pentax DA* 50-135mm f/2.8, Sigma 135-400mm APO DG, and more ..
Flash: AF-540FGZ, Vivitar 283
dcweather
Posted 01/03/2011 - 10:32 Link
Thanks, pretty much what I thought. I agree about the final image being with the photographer but artistic quality can't be done by the camera and lens (well not really) so that bit is a constant. I'm sure the top end modern lenses will be the best bet but I have to say I was amazed at the quality I got from the old M42 200mm Tele Takumar. I'm sure it was better than the DAL 55-300mm at the same focal length. Like Frogfish, I will probably go for the DA* 300mm but maybe rent it for a few days from SRS first. Is there a teleconverter with this lens that would maintain the SDM?
Dave
Blythman
Posted 01/03/2011 - 10:45 Link
Glass keeps its value much better than the majority of bodies. Buy the glass and await K5 price reductions
Alan


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Dangermouse
Posted 01/03/2011 - 16:06 Link
My advice? Dump the 3rd party older glass.

While modern lenses may be better the gap is a lot wider when compared to generic wearer-of-many-badges lenses than it is when compared to, say, SMC Pentax or Pentax-M lenses.

Definitely keep the Takumar and Pentax lenses, the Takumar may be old but it's now a classic. If you've ever felt the urge to try film then a Spotmatic won't cost you much and the Tak will be perfect for it.

Mind you, I had the same thoughts a month or so ago then decided that rather than buying a K-r I should finally buy that medium format film camera I'd wanted for years, and ended up with a Bronica ETRSi! It cost about the same and has provided a lot more entertainment than an upgrade over my perfectly functional K-m would have done.
Matt

Shooting the Welsh Wilderness with K-m, KX, MX, ME Super and assorted lenses.
Edited by Dangermouse: 01/03/2011 - 16:14
dcweather
Posted 02/03/2011 - 16:53 Link
I'm not sure I'd dump them! I've just done some pretty controlled comparisons at F8 and 200mm and the Adaptall 60-300mm matched the Pentax 55-300 DAL and the Tamron Adaptall 80-210 was pretty much the same at that focal length. The Takumar was best but then it is a 200mm prime.
Having said that I want quality at 300mm plus and with that overlap I may as well lose a few and save and get a 300mm DA*.
Thanks for the comments,
Dave
Pentaxophile
Posted 02/03/2011 - 17:34 Link
Well if you want to dump the Chinon 50mm, please dump it in my direction!
royd63uk
Posted 02/03/2011 - 19:40 Link
the 55-300 is an excellent lens capable of fine images
regards
Roy

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NeilP
Posted 08/03/2011 - 22:46 Link
Go for that bargin sigma 150-500mm you must be looking at
dcweather
Posted 08/03/2011 - 23:53 Link
Yes but that would spoil the fun Neil - too easy

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