Noise

kemp
Posted 14/08/2009 - 16:30 Link
I've just started experiementing with long exposures (i.e. 10 mins).

I've come across some noise which seems very strange.

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This occured on a night shot on an 8 min exposure, I thought maybe the light pollution turned it red. But when I tried the same shot for 8 mins with the lens cap on, that was also red. Does anyone know what's happening and how I can avoid it?

I'm wondering if it's because my camera is low range (k110d)?

Thanks for any help.
Coriander
Posted 14/08/2009 - 16:52 Link
Is this a case of the sensor heating up and creating its own 'noise'?

Perhaps other members with a greater degree of knowledge than me could explain further...
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kemp
Posted 14/08/2009 - 19:07 Link
That's what I though. But I thought this was a bit excessive and wondered on any tips to decrease it?

Anyone?
Malo1961
Posted 14/08/2009 - 20:01 Link
Is this a crop ? And what was the iso setting used with this picture.
The K110D has a 6MP sensor,I believe? I ask because supposedly the lower mega pixel count cameras often handle noise better as the 10+ MP ones.

PhotoMe doesn't show any data, so sorry for so much questions.

Martin.
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Martin.


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kemp
Posted 14/08/2009 - 22:43 Link
Sorry.

Yeah this is a k110d, 6mp.

f11, iso 200, exposure for 8 minutes.

This is indeed a crop at 100%.

It's taken with the noise reduction turned off. I was intending to use the lens cap exclusion technique, but it didn't work out too well!
Malo1961
Posted 14/08/2009 - 23:07 Link
I would like to see the full picture, instead of the crop.
It is a bit hard, this way in coming up with a answer that makes sense.

In comparison (hopefully) the next picture was taken with a K10D,ISO 100, about 18 minutes at F 5.6 and with NR ON. which took an extra 18 minutes.
I just show it, because now.......based on your posted example I would be inclined to think: "sensor problem". And of course I'll rather be wrong, in this case, and for your sake..

Martin.
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Martin.


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El Dingo
Posted 15/08/2009 - 11:07 Link
Could the metering have gone all to c*ck because light has entered via the viewfinder?
El Dingo - K3-II and K10D
George Lazarette
Posted 15/08/2009 - 11:21 Link
El Dingo wrote:
Could the metering have gone all to c*ck because light has entered via the viewfinder?
That can affect metering, but once the mirror is up there should be no light-path to the sensor from the viewfinder.

G
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kemp
Posted 15/08/2009 - 19:52 Link
This is the full Image

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It isn't half as bad with NR on, but it just takes so much longer and wears down the battery.
Anvh
Posted 15/08/2009 - 20:31 Link
The image is also mostly red and that's very strange

Does it always do that or only occasionally?
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Malo1961
Posted 15/08/2009 - 20:35 Link
If this was a pitch black sky I (it was right, with those white lines being star trails??), I think you either have a sensor problem, or the camera simply doesn't handle night exposures very well.

Martin.
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Martin.


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greynolds999
Posted 15/08/2009 - 21:18 Link
What was the white balance setting?
kemp
Posted 16/08/2009 - 12:05 Link
The white balance was daylight. The red goes if I use incandescent.

That's what confused me, the fact it was so red! Yes, it was pitch black and just pointed at the sky.

This one I did last night, but I tried a different technique. I stacked 24 30 second exposures and the noise isn't half as bad, also used the lens cap techniques to cancel out some of the noise.

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Very strange.
johnriley
Posted 16/08/2009 - 16:50 Link
The Earth moves quite quickly, so we are probably looking at star trails. Try similar exposures on the moon and see how far it moves as a comparison. That should clinch it.

Also don't forget the possibility of meteor and meteorite trails.
Best regards, John
kemp
Posted 16/08/2009 - 22:41 Link
Sorry, John. Maybe I'm not clear!

I wanted star trails! That was why I was doing the long exposure. The issue was the massive amount of red noise!

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