monochrome? when? why?
Posted 17/06/2010 - 18:07 - Helpful Comment
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Hi Iqbal,
Where does one start with this one? To begin with, most of us, I think, wouldn't "take" a mono shot, as such but reord everything in colour and then convert some whilst post processing. In this way one can preserve the widest range of tones and thus contrast.
As for subject, anything really that doesn't specifically rely on colour for its effect. Transport, portrait (really good) landscape (again, particularly effective).
I've said before on this forum that the pictures I remember most vividly, both by great photographers and those learning the craft, are monochrome. It's how photography started, after all!
Now you'll get twenty others saying something entirely different, but that's fine. Everyone has their own view. Some people present nothing but mono images, others hate it. I've always liked and used both, even going back to the dark ages of film. (Ha!)
And don't forget "toning": that can be quite interesting and effective.
Where does one start with this one? To begin with, most of us, I think, wouldn't "take" a mono shot, as such but reord everything in colour and then convert some whilst post processing. In this way one can preserve the widest range of tones and thus contrast.
As for subject, anything really that doesn't specifically rely on colour for its effect. Transport, portrait (really good) landscape (again, particularly effective).
I've said before on this forum that the pictures I remember most vividly, both by great photographers and those learning the craft, are monochrome. It's how photography started, after all!
Now you'll get twenty others saying something entirely different, but that's fine. Everyone has their own view. Some people present nothing but mono images, others hate it. I've always liked and used both, even going back to the dark ages of film. (Ha!)
And don't forget "toning": that can be quite interesting and effective.
Best wishes,
Andrew
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Andrew
"These places mean something and it's the job of a photographer to figure-out what the hell it is."
Robert Adams
"The camera doesn't make a bit of difference. All of them can record what you are seeing. But, you have to SEE."
Ernst Hass
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Posted 17/06/2010 - 18:50 - Helpful Comment
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Hi Iqbal
When i've been out and about taking photo's and i notice that some scene's or images will make a good B&W image i will take it and convert it into B&W in Elements or Photoshop and experiment, that is all you need to do. Sometimes you will find that a poor colour pic makes a good B&W one. Also if your camera allows you to take B&W pics try that as well to give you an idea as to what it looks like. As time go's on you wil start to get a feel as to what makes a good B&W image and what is not.
Enjoy.
When i've been out and about taking photo's and i notice that some scene's or images will make a good B&W image i will take it and convert it into B&W in Elements or Photoshop and experiment, that is all you need to do. Sometimes you will find that a poor colour pic makes a good B&W one. Also if your camera allows you to take B&W pics try that as well to give you an idea as to what it looks like. As time go's on you wil start to get a feel as to what makes a good B&W image and what is not.
Enjoy.
Posted 17/06/2010 - 20:02 - Helpful Comment
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The other reason for playing with mono - you can develop the film at home very easily indeed, which is great fun!
I just develop to negatives and then use a film scanner to digitise them, it gives me an excuse to play with old cameras and produces decent results.
I just develop to negatives and then use a film scanner to digitise them, it gives me an excuse to play with old cameras and produces decent results.
Matt
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Posted 17/06/2010 - 22:48
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Dangermouse wrote:
The other reason for playing with mono - you can develop the film at home very easily indeed, which is great fun!
I just develop to negatives and then use a film scanner to digitise them, it gives me an excuse to play with old cameras and produces decent results.
I really must get around to trying that one day.
The other reason for playing with mono - you can develop the film at home very easily indeed, which is great fun!
I just develop to negatives and then use a film scanner to digitise them, it gives me an excuse to play with old cameras and produces decent results.
Getting there! Thanks to you guys
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Posted 18/06/2010 - 08:43
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Father Ted wrote:
All you need is a developing tank, chemicals, and maybe a light-proof bag if you don't have a daylight dev tank or a darkroom. I time the various stages with a standard wristwatch and it works perfectly.
Dangermouse wrote:
The other reason for playing with mono - you can develop the film at home very easily indeed, which is great fun!
I just develop to negatives and then use a film scanner to digitise them, it gives me an excuse to play with old cameras and produces decent results.
I really must get around to trying that one day.The other reason for playing with mono - you can develop the film at home very easily indeed, which is great fun!
I just develop to negatives and then use a film scanner to digitise them, it gives me an excuse to play with old cameras and produces decent results.
Matt
Shooting the Welsh Wilderness with K-m, KX, MX, ME Super and assorted lenses.
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Posted 18/06/2010 - 17:03
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well i shot many times and still cant figured it out which one to convert to bw, still thinks color are better for every condition..hehehe
@dangermouse it surely will be fun to develop our own film! but i didnt know how to get the equipment needed..
@dangermouse it surely will be fun to develop our own film! but i didnt know how to get the equipment needed..
Posted 18/06/2010 - 18:10
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The images you think are not any good might be, You won't know until you see the end result. As i said before just experiment you will be suprised.
Posted 18/06/2010 - 22:36
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I'm not sure where you'd get the chemicals from where you are, the dev tank should be easy enough to get hold of. I bought some conical flasks from a laboratory supplier to mix the chemicals in, as I only need small quantities at a time with the tank I use.
Matt
Shooting the Welsh Wilderness with K-m, KX, MX, ME Super and assorted lenses.
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Posted 20/06/2010 - 08:50
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Take a look at the link on the "zoo photography" thread. That will answer why.
Posted 20/06/2010 - 09:22
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Black and white photography is where I started. Printing in my own darkroom, colour was way too expensive for me and when I did try it out it was so slow and unsatisfying.
However, the art of making black and white prints kept me happy for decades and, eventually, I became quite good at it. There are people I know who were much better. It's messy, time consuming and a pleasure all of its own to disappear under that red light for a day. Eventually I would emerge into the light, blinking like a mole, with a clutch of prints that still needed washing, drying, spotting....
However, now I do mostly colour because that's the way we see the wrold and it's no difference in digital photography. I make black and white or colour images as I think the subject demands. Black and white is the stuff of dark drama, shapes, tones and textures...for me at least.
Colour is the world of reality or fantasy as our imaginations dictate and can be brash or ethereal, or any other mixture.
There is a certain charm though to toning prints with real chemicals, or even food dyes, or doing the special effects in the camera or darkroom instead of Photoshop. If you feel inclined to have a go at traditional techniques, then go for it, but it's not something you can just excel at without a lot of experimentation and practice.
However, the art of making black and white prints kept me happy for decades and, eventually, I became quite good at it. There are people I know who were much better. It's messy, time consuming and a pleasure all of its own to disappear under that red light for a day. Eventually I would emerge into the light, blinking like a mole, with a clutch of prints that still needed washing, drying, spotting....
However, now I do mostly colour because that's the way we see the wrold and it's no difference in digital photography. I make black and white or colour images as I think the subject demands. Black and white is the stuff of dark drama, shapes, tones and textures...for me at least.
Colour is the world of reality or fantasy as our imaginations dictate and can be brash or ethereal, or any other mixture.
There is a certain charm though to toning prints with real chemicals, or even food dyes, or doing the special effects in the camera or darkroom instead of Photoshop. If you feel inclined to have a go at traditional techniques, then go for it, but it's not something you can just excel at without a lot of experimentation and practice.
Best regards, John
Posted 20/06/2010 - 10:19
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ReklawyksEkul wrote:
well i shot many times and still cant figured it out which one to convert to bw, still thinks color are better for every condition..hehehe
@dangermouse it surely will be fun to develop our own film! but i didnt know how to get the equipment needed..
Buy a book with photos by people like Ansel Adams then you will see the power of monochrome photographs.well i shot many times and still cant figured it out which one to convert to bw, still thinks color are better for every condition..hehehe
@dangermouse it surely will be fun to develop our own film! but i didnt know how to get the equipment needed..
Unfortunately, good mono photography is more difficult than good colour photography. Stripping out the colour requires greater emphasis on the composition.
G
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Posted 20/06/2010 - 15:28
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I find that industrial stuff and architecture tend to make the best mono subjects, mostly as it seems to work well on texture and detail. Rocky terrain also works for much the same reason.
Matt
Shooting the Welsh Wilderness with K-m, KX, MX, ME Super and assorted lenses.
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so my question is, when do you take mono shot? why is it better to take (at that time) then color?
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