monochrome? when? why?

ReklawyksEkul
Posted 17/06/2010 - 17:50 Link
i just learned photography since i got my dads pentax me super and now i got a dslr pentax kx. And i still dont get it with monochrome. i have never use any b/w film and rarely take a mono shot with kx.

so my question is, when do you take mono shot? why is it better to take (at that time) then color?

thank you
iqbal

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bwlchmawr
Posted 17/06/2010 - 18:07 - Helpful Comment Link
Hi Iqbal,

Where does one start with this one? To begin with, most of us, I think, wouldn't "take" a mono shot, as such but reord everything in colour and then convert some whilst post processing. In this way one can preserve the widest range of tones and thus contrast.

As for subject, anything really that doesn't specifically rely on colour for its effect. Transport, portrait (really good) landscape (again, particularly effective).

I've said before on this forum that the pictures I remember most vividly, both by great photographers and those learning the craft, are monochrome. It's how photography started, after all!

Now you'll get twenty others saying something entirely different, but that's fine. Everyone has their own view. Some people present nothing but mono images, others hate it. I've always liked and used both, even going back to the dark ages of film. (Ha!)

And don't forget "toning": that can be quite interesting and effective.
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Ratcatcher
Posted 17/06/2010 - 18:50 - Helpful Comment Link
Hi Iqbal

When i've been out and about taking photo's and i notice that some scene's or images will make a good B&W image i will take it and convert it into B&W in Elements or Photoshop and experiment, that is all you need to do. Sometimes you will find that a poor colour pic makes a good B&W one. Also if your camera allows you to take B&W pics try that as well to give you an idea as to what it looks like. As time go's on you wil start to get a feel as to what makes a good B&W image and what is not.

Enjoy.
Dangermouse
Posted 17/06/2010 - 20:02 - Helpful Comment Link
The other reason for playing with mono - you can develop the film at home very easily indeed, which is great fun!

I just develop to negatives and then use a film scanner to digitise them, it gives me an excuse to play with old cameras and produces decent results.
Matt

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Father Ted
Posted 17/06/2010 - 22:48 Link
Dangermouse wrote:
The other reason for playing with mono - you can develop the film at home very easily indeed, which is great fun!

I just develop to negatives and then use a film scanner to digitise them, it gives me an excuse to play with old cameras and produces decent results.
I really must get around to trying that one day.
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aliengrove
Posted 18/06/2010 - 03:56 - Helpful Comment Link
Pictures taken in light that is not very good in colour often look great in mono. It can also enhance strong shapes in a picture and make distracting backgrounds less prominent.
Edited by aliengrove: 18/06/2010 - 03:57
Dangermouse
Posted 18/06/2010 - 08:43 Link
Father Ted wrote:
Dangermouse wrote:
The other reason for playing with mono - you can develop the film at home very easily indeed, which is great fun!

I just develop to negatives and then use a film scanner to digitise them, it gives me an excuse to play with old cameras and produces decent results.
I really must get around to trying that one day.
All you need is a developing tank, chemicals, and maybe a light-proof bag if you don't have a daylight dev tank or a darkroom. I time the various stages with a standard wristwatch and it works perfectly.
Matt

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ReklawyksEkul
Posted 18/06/2010 - 17:03 Link
well i shot many times and still cant figured it out which one to convert to bw, still thinks color are better for every condition..hehehe

@dangermouse it surely will be fun to develop our own film! but i didnt know how to get the equipment needed..
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Ratcatcher
Posted 18/06/2010 - 18:10 Link
The images you think are not any good might be, You won't know until you see the end result. As i said before just experiment you will be suprised.
Edited by Ratcatcher: 18/06/2010 - 18:10
Dangermouse
Posted 18/06/2010 - 22:36 Link
I'm not sure where you'd get the chemicals from where you are, the dev tank should be easy enough to get hold of. I bought some conical flasks from a laboratory supplier to mix the chemicals in, as I only need small quantities at a time with the tank I use.
Matt

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DrOrloff
Posted 20/06/2010 - 08:50 Link
Take a look at the link on the "zoo photography" thread. That will answer why.
johnriley
Posted 20/06/2010 - 09:22 Link
Black and white photography is where I started. Printing in my own darkroom, colour was way too expensive for me and when I did try it out it was so slow and unsatisfying.

However, the art of making black and white prints kept me happy for decades and, eventually, I became quite good at it. There are people I know who were much better. It's messy, time consuming and a pleasure all of its own to disappear under that red light for a day. Eventually I would emerge into the light, blinking like a mole, with a clutch of prints that still needed washing, drying, spotting....

However, now I do mostly colour because that's the way we see the wrold and it's no difference in digital photography. I make black and white or colour images as I think the subject demands. Black and white is the stuff of dark drama, shapes, tones and textures...for me at least.

Colour is the world of reality or fantasy as our imaginations dictate and can be brash or ethereal, or any other mixture.

There is a certain charm though to toning prints with real chemicals, or even food dyes, or doing the special effects in the camera or darkroom instead of Photoshop. If you feel inclined to have a go at traditional techniques, then go for it, but it's not something you can just excel at without a lot of experimentation and practice.
Best regards, John
George Lazarette
Posted 20/06/2010 - 10:19 Link
ReklawyksEkul wrote:
well i shot many times and still cant figured it out which one to convert to bw, still thinks color are better for every condition..hehehe

@dangermouse it surely will be fun to develop our own film! but i didnt know how to get the equipment needed..
Buy a book with photos by people like Ansel Adams then you will see the power of monochrome photographs.

Unfortunately, good mono photography is more difficult than good colour photography. Stripping out the colour requires greater emphasis on the composition.

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Dangermouse
Posted 20/06/2010 - 15:28 Link
I find that industrial stuff and architecture tend to make the best mono subjects, mostly as it seems to work well on texture and detail. Rocky terrain also works for much the same reason.
Matt

Shooting the Welsh Wilderness with K-m, KX, MX, ME Super and assorted lenses.

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