Megapixel theory


Poll Results

Do you think your digital camera needs more than 10 Megapixels?
Yes
27%
27%[12]
No
73%
73%[32]
Total Votes : 44

chirpy
Posted 21/04/2008 - 17:29 Link
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Can anyone explain to me why noise becomes more of a problem with higher pixel chips please?
This recently posted article may (or may not) shed some light on the issues of sensor technology:
http://www.anandtech.com/digitalcameras/showdoc.aspx?i=3290

There's to be a follow-up article that tackles the issue of noise in more depth.
Mongoose
Posted 21/04/2008 - 17:31 Link
I tried to explain it in this thread

https://www.pentaxuser.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7487&highlight=photons

and I'm too lazy to type it out again hope it helps.

that discussion was about sensor size, but if you keep the physical size the same and increase the number of pixels the same effect applies. Smaller pixels = less light hitting each one = greater percentage error = more noise.
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corwynt
Posted 21/04/2008 - 19:30 Link
Chirpy & Mongoose

Thanks for those links - the AnandTech article is particularly illuminating.
Pentax ist DL, K10D, MX, various lenses, Fuji s6500fd, Canon A630.
terje-l
Posted 21/04/2008 - 19:44 Link
Wow - that's a lot of arguments about megapixels! I agree with most, but I'm reluctant to take them all as gospel truth.

What annoys me is that people, i.e. customers, are led to believe that the compacts with their small lenses can justify the high resolution of 10-12 megapixels. No way!

Just the other day I met a phone seller at Heathrow's Terminal 5, having my K100D on my shoulder. He insisted that he could produce better pictures from the latest Nokia phone camera than I could with my Pentax. I didn't want to enter a longer argument, so my response was a polite I s'pose before walking away.

High megapixels demand better lenses. This is why, according to Pentax, the new Mk II kit lens came out, because the original 18-55mm lens did not have enough resolution to match the 14 megapixels of the K20, again according to Pentax.

I am quite happy with my K100D/6.1 megapixel camera, it seems a good tradeoff between economy and quality. I have never had the need for prints above the A4 format, and the compact file size of about 3 MByte speeds up file transfer and also makes the Photoshop Album run smooth when flipping through the pictures at full screen.

I believe the main issue is to establish ones requirements, and select the equipment accordingly. (And what's the use of the high resolution when we have to reduce the pictures to 800 pixels to post them in the forum?)
Best regards
Terry

K20D, Optio I10, DA 18-55 1:3.5-5.6 AL II, A 1:1.7/50, D FA 1:2.8/100 Macro, Sigma 70-300 1:4-5.6 APO DG Macro, Pentax AF 360FGZ
corwynt
Posted 21/04/2008 - 19:54 Link
It's interesting to note that the Royal Photographic Society specifies sample images of no more than 1024 pixels along the longest side of images submitted by applicants to their Licentiate grade.

Their assessment of the images includes looking for digital pixelation.

What should we learn from this I wonder?
Pentax ist DL, K10D, MX, various lenses, Fuji s6500fd, Canon A630.
Classvino
Posted 21/04/2008 - 21:04 Link
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Classvino wrote:
[The image out of todays 10MP compacts is better than the image out of a 4 or 5 year old 6MP camera
I'm going to have to disagree with you there. From what I have seen 6MP is roughly optimal for a compact. The higher MP sensors seem to require so much inbuilt noise reduction that you loose detail almost from ISO 64.
Just to clarify - my point wasn't that the additional pixels made the image better, it was that the newer in-camera image processors was better, and the white-balance was being calculated better, and so on, making the images sometimes seem better...
(Or maybe I'm just buying better compacts, irrespective of MP count... so my opinion here is hardly un-biased - my *MP Optio makes better images than my 4MP Kodak... )
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terje-l
Posted 21/04/2008 - 22:32 Link
My entry above seems to have been entered twice. How can I delete one of them?
Best regards
Terry

K20D, Optio I10, DA 18-55 1:3.5-5.6 AL II, A 1:1.7/50, D FA 1:2.8/100 Macro, Sigma 70-300 1:4-5.6 APO DG Macro, Pentax AF 360FGZ
johnriley
Posted 21/04/2008 - 22:40 Link
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My entry above seems to have been entered twice. How can I delete one of them?
You can delete your message by clicking on the cross top right of the message. I've done it for you.
Best regards, John
Daniel Bridge
Posted 21/04/2008 - 22:42 Link
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You can delete your message by clicking on the cross top right of the message.
Might this just be an administrators option? I just see 'quote' and 'edit' on my posts.

Dan
K-3, a macro lens and a DA*300mm...
johnriley
Posted 21/04/2008 - 22:50 Link
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Might this just be an administrators option? I just see 'quote' and 'edit' on my posts.
I thought you could delete your own posts, but that may not be the case. In any event, I would eventually see and delete any obvious duplicated posts. It helps to keep things tidy!
Best regards, John
Mannesty
Posted 21/04/2008 - 23:17 Link
I think you can delete your own posts but only if it is the last in the thread, not if someone has posted later in the same thread.
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