Letter in AP's issue 6th March
Posted 27/02/2010 - 16:17
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You should publish the text here. In Canada, I will only be able to see it in about a month. By the time I see it, it won't be current any more. Don't be selfish...
Yves (another one of those crazy Canucks)
Posted 27/02/2010 - 16:22
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As a Pentax user I can understand Mike Gosling's pain over the Pentax
lens price increases in 2009. There are a few points to take issue
with, however. Firstly, the lenses in question (DA Ltd series) are
high quality products which for a long time offered amazing value for
money. But Pentax is a smaller company which presumably struggles more
because of adverse exchange rates, than the big two who are better
placed to withstand short term losses. So a price rise was
inevitable. And the 'budget' lenses, perhaps of most interest to
'newbies', such as the 18-55mm, 50-200mm, and 55-300mm are all still
very keenly priced (and decent quality too). Let's not also forget
that third party lenses for Pentax obviously cost no more than for the
opposition, and can offer tremendous value. Secondly, he says Pentax
bodies are too expensive. A casual glance at the adverts in the back
of AP shows that the excellent K-x and K-7 are cheaper
than their nearest competitors, for example the Nikon D5000 and D300s.
Thirdly, he says that Pentax DSLRs aren't 'quite good enough'. Well,
the Pentax range may be small, but the current cameras have both
received excellent reviews if you look at a broad section of print and
online sources. And even Mr Demolder himself uses the Samsung version
of the Pentax K20D - need I really say more?
lens price increases in 2009. There are a few points to take issue
with, however. Firstly, the lenses in question (DA Ltd series) are
high quality products which for a long time offered amazing value for
money. But Pentax is a smaller company which presumably struggles more
because of adverse exchange rates, than the big two who are better
placed to withstand short term losses. So a price rise was
inevitable. And the 'budget' lenses, perhaps of most interest to
'newbies', such as the 18-55mm, 50-200mm, and 55-300mm are all still
very keenly priced (and decent quality too). Let's not also forget
that third party lenses for Pentax obviously cost no more than for the
opposition, and can offer tremendous value. Secondly, he says Pentax
bodies are too expensive. A casual glance at the adverts in the back
of AP shows that the excellent K-x and K-7 are cheaper
than their nearest competitors, for example the Nikon D5000 and D300s.
Thirdly, he says that Pentax DSLRs aren't 'quite good enough'. Well,
the Pentax range may be small, but the current cameras have both
received excellent reviews if you look at a broad section of print and
online sources. And even Mr Demolder himself uses the Samsung version
of the Pentax K20D - need I really say more?
Posted 27/02/2010 - 16:29
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A well written piece putting your an my) point of view very succinctly.
Thank you for placing it here for us to read, and for writing it and expressing the views of most Pentax owners so well.
Thank you for placing it here for us to read, and for writing it and expressing the views of most Pentax owners so well.
Posted 27/02/2010 - 18:07
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Thanks Will, well written. Difficult to find unbiased reporting these days.
Cedric
Cedric
Enjoy life
Posted 27/02/2010 - 19:52
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Will...nice letter, however how can you, or anyone else explain the huge difference in price between the almost exact same lenses sold by Pentax & by Tokina? The Pentax versions of 16-50 & 50-135 are hugely more than Tokina, who have exactly the same exchange rate issues as Pentax, and presumably are no bigger than Pentax...
Posted 27/02/2010 - 20:04
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I'm not sure what impresses most, the detailed, point-by-point fluently expressed answer or the fcat that you wrote it on a mobile phone.
If you ever saw me trying to compose even the shortest of text messages...
Well done!
A.
If you ever saw me trying to compose even the shortest of text messages...
Well done!
A.
Best wishes,
Andrew
"These places mean something and it's the job of a photographer to figure-out what the hell it is."
Robert Adams
"The camera doesn't make a bit of difference. All of them can record what you are seeing. But, you have to SEE."
Ernst Hass
My website: http://www.ephotozine.com/user/bwlchmawr-199050
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Andrew
"These places mean something and it's the job of a photographer to figure-out what the hell it is."
Robert Adams
"The camera doesn't make a bit of difference. All of them can record what you are seeing. But, you have to SEE."
Ernst Hass
My website: http://www.ephotozine.com/user/bwlchmawr-199050
http://s927.photobucket.com/home/ADC3440/index
https://www.flickr.com/photos/78898196@N05
Posted 27/02/2010 - 20:25
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bretbysteve wrote:
Will...nice letter, however how can you, or anyone else explain the huge difference in price between the almost exact same lenses sold by Pentax & by Tokina? The Pentax versions of 16-50 & 50-135 are hugely more than Tokina, who have exactly the same exchange rate issues as Pentax, and presumably are no bigger than Pentax...
1) Weather sealingWill...nice letter, however how can you, or anyone else explain the huge difference in price between the almost exact same lenses sold by Pentax & by Tokina? The Pentax versions of 16-50 & 50-135 are hugely more than Tokina, who have exactly the same exchange rate issues as Pentax, and presumably are no bigger than Pentax...
2) SDM motors
3) Quality of plastic used in mouldings
4) SMC coating process (still the best in the business)
5) Economies of scale. Tokina sell the same lens in several mounts and (due to the size of the market for Canon and Nikon compared to Pentax) probably sell many, many times more than Pentax do.
These lenses are the same in so far as they share an optical formula - that's it. There are no common parts or manufacturing processes so they can't be subjected to a straight comparison to calculate price.
Joining the Q
Posted 27/02/2010 - 20:29
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bretbysteve wrote:
Will...nice letter, however how can you, or anyone else explain the huge difference in price between the almost exact same lenses sold by Pentax & by Tokina? The Pentax versions of 16-50 & 50-135 are hugely more than Tokina, who have exactly the same exchange rate issues as Pentax, and presumably are no bigger than Pentax...
The DA*16-50 and DA*50-135 has:Will...nice letter, however how can you, or anyone else explain the huge difference in price between the almost exact same lenses sold by Pentax & by Tokina? The Pentax versions of 16-50 & 50-135 are hugely more than Tokina, who have exactly the same exchange rate issues as Pentax, and presumably are no bigger than Pentax...
- A dual focus system (screw-drive + SDM = higher development and production cost)
- Weather sealed
- Better coatings
- Pentax name on it (brand lenses are always more expensive then third-party)
The price hike at the end of last year did almost double the price of these lenses though in the UK, why that is I don't know. The same thing happened with the DA12-24.
Hefty had the same thoughts ^^
Posted 28/02/2010 - 00:52
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BTW, to the cheapskates... the issue of AP with the letter in it won't be available to non-subscribers until Tuesday so you still have time to go to Waitrose and buy, one or train the dog to chew on something else.
K.
PS Excellent letter but I still wish I had bought an FA77 before the price rise!
K.
PS Excellent letter but I still wish I had bought an FA77 before the price rise!
Kris Lockyear
It is an illusion that photos are made with the camera… they are made with the eye, heart and head. Henri Cartier-Bresson
Lots of film bodies, a couple of digital ones, too many lenses (mainly older glass) and a Horseman LE 5x4.
It is an illusion that photos are made with the camera… they are made with the eye, heart and head. Henri Cartier-Bresson
Lots of film bodies, a couple of digital ones, too many lenses (mainly older glass) and a Horseman LE 5x4.
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