K-mount lenses with K10D

MevaDo
Posted 05/03/2007 - 10:08 Link
To add mustard to the sauce so to speak concernng manual focus lenses and DSLRs, I have just bought a K10D and would like to use one K-mount manual focus lens (SMC 135 mm). Setting the aperture in M mode doesn't seem to work (the F -- blinks) and I wonder if someone could suggest how, if at all, this lens might work with the K10D.

Of course, it could simply be that one should forget it! And buy a new lens. Pity though, neat lens.

Many thanks,

MU
Never used anything else, from K2 - Z1 - K10D.
George Lazarette
Posted 05/03/2007 - 10:18 Link
Because there is no communication between body and lens, the body doesn't know what aperture is set on the lens, and therefore just blinks with surprise.

But don't worry. Press the green button, the lens will stop down to the aperture you have set (this is purely mechanical), and the body will measure the light it receives.

G
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MattMatic
Posted 05/03/2007 - 10:22 Link
You also need to enable a custom function:
"Using aperture ring" = "Permitted" (it's on the last page of the custom menu)

HTH!
Matt
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ChrisA
Posted 05/03/2007 - 11:48 Link
Quote:
But don't worry. Press the green button, the lens will stop down to the aperture you have set (this is purely mechanical), and the body will measure the light it receives.
Hmmph.

Also check out this thread:

https://www.pentaxuser.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3867
George Lazarette
Posted 05/03/2007 - 15:33 Link
Quote:
George Lazarette wrote:
But don't worry. Press the green button, the lens will stop down to the aperture you have set (this is purely mechanical), and the body will measure the light it receives.
Hmmph.

Also check out this thread:

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ChrisA
Posted 05/03/2007 - 15:43 Link
Quote:

Before hmmphing, I suggest that:

1 You read the manual
2 You try things out for yourself.

Excellent advice.

However, it was as a result of trying things out for myself - having read the manual on how to use pre-A lenses - that I started that thread in the first place.

If I'm doing something wrong, and the camera's fine after all, don't you think I'd dearly love to know?

What I do is:

- Enable Aperture Ring
- Set camera to manual
- select desired aperture on M-series lens
- press green button, noting that lens stops down and shutter speed is set
- take picture

Can you see anything wrong with this procedure?
George Lazarette
Posted 05/03/2007 - 15:59 Link
What exposure mode are you using? I believe that K and M lenses don't support matrix metering.

Is the light constant between exposure reading and taking the picture?

Is the subject one that might cause exposure problems? Water, snow, strong back-lighting etc.?

Have you done a side by side test with a prime lens of identical focal length and at the same aperture? When I compare my K 50mm 1.2 with my F 50mm 1.4 (handheld) I get exposure variations of between zero and half a stop. With the 400mm (I have nothing to compare it with) exposure is always within reasonable limits.

G
Keywords: Charming, polite, and generally agreeable.
ChrisA
Posted 05/03/2007 - 17:06 Link
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What exposure mode are you using? I believe that K and M lenses don't support matrix metering.
I've tried spot and centre-weighted as well.

Quote:
Is the light constant between exposure reading and taking the picture?
Well the picture was taken less than a couple of seconds after the exposure reading each time, and the camera was on a tripod. AFAICT the lighting wasn't changing significantly - one was indoors under natural light, the other was, as I said, a garden scene, sky uniform and cloudy.

Quote:
Is the subject one that might cause exposure problems? Water, snow, strong back-lighting etc.?
I wouldn't have thought so. One was a bush in the garden (leaves, twigs etc) and the other was a row of books on a shelf.

Quote:
Have you done a side by side test with a prime lens of identical focal length and at the same aperture? When I compare my K 50mm 1.2 with my F 50mm 1.4 (handheld) I get exposure variations of between zero and half a stop. With the 400mm (I have nothing to compare it with) exposure is always within reasonable limits.
I'm not trying to compare different lenses here, I know they can be a bit different.

I'm just noticing that for a given lens the metered exposure at a number of different apertures result in wildly different amounts of light ending up at the sensor - some of the shots metered this way are very over- or under- exposed.

But I have tried a couple of A lenses in both A-mode and manual. The exposures were significantly different in A-mode and non-A, for a given selected aperture (in A-mode, aperture selected on the camera, obviously).
johnriley
Posted 05/03/2007 - 17:19 Link
The manual says that for exposure using the aperture ring, either with a pre-A lens or an A lens set other than to A, centre weighted metering is automatically set. Regardless of what we set the meter to.

Why not try the experiment using a grey card, controlled lighting and the stop down round the shutter release. And a tripod of course.

Eliminate any variables you can think of and the experiment will be more valid.
Best regards, John
MevaDo
Posted 05/03/2007 - 20:59 Link
Being new to forums and such activities, I would simply like to thank all those who participated - it has been a great help.
Never used anything else, from K2 - Z1 - K10D.

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