K-30 disappointment
Posted 15/11/2012 - 15:06
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Thanks David. Yes , I have a friend with a K5 and a DA*300 as well so should be able to resolve it by combining those . The tests for front focusing didn't show anything, not at close distance anyway. I still have my K-r as the Ebay buyer didn't pay up so I can do identical shots with that I guess to eliminate the camera. I'll let you know how I get on.
Dave
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Posted 15/11/2012 - 16:48
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Just got a K30 delivered today first impression is which plonker put the live view button on the k30 where the flash up button is on the k-r and moved the buttons around on the 4 way selector,this is going to take some getting used to
Posted 17/11/2012 - 00:21
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dcweather wrote:
Well I've had a few days to play now and I'm a bit disappointed. I'm struggling to get sharp shots with the 300 DA*, DFA 100 macro and the Sigma 150-500. I'm worried whether I am being paranoid but I got much sharper shots with my K-r and 55-300 DAL. I know the lenses were ok on my K-r. Now I haven't had any brilliant light but even indoor shots with the flash and the DFA 100 were soft. I wonder if there is a focusing issue. Attached is my best effort so far:- DA*300, f4.5, 1/200,Iso 400 supported on window ledge. This is raw at 50% crop converted to JPEG, no other pp. OK the light wasn't great but all the shots seem to lack "punch" so far.

It's a sharp and crystal clear image...and a damned fine one at that. So what exactly the hell are you unhappy about here dude?
Well I've had a few days to play now and I'm a bit disappointed. I'm struggling to get sharp shots with the 300 DA*, DFA 100 macro and the Sigma 150-500. I'm worried whether I am being paranoid but I got much sharper shots with my K-r and 55-300 DAL. I know the lenses were ok on my K-r. Now I haven't had any brilliant light but even indoor shots with the flash and the DFA 100 were soft. I wonder if there is a focusing issue. Attached is my best effort so far:- DA*300, f4.5, 1/200,Iso 400 supported on window ledge. This is raw at 50% crop converted to JPEG, no other pp. OK the light wasn't great but all the shots seem to lack "punch" so far.

Posted 17/11/2012 - 08:20
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RAW straight out of camera would not normally provide any 'punch'. Don't know how you've converted this to JPEG, but most software would provide some default settings that normally boosts brightness and sharpness. But maybe your conversion didn't have these set up? I'm sure it would only take some minor control inputs to give the shot all it needs.
Also you have the option of the in camera Custom Image Parameters (right hand button on the four-way controller). The Bright and / or Vibrant preset would be appropriate here I believe,a should give a nice bright & punch JPEG from the camera.
Also you have the option of the in camera Custom Image Parameters (right hand button on the four-way controller). The Bright and / or Vibrant preset would be appropriate here I believe,a should give a nice bright & punch JPEG from the camera.
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Posted 19/11/2012 - 20:06
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Thanks again for everyone's thoughts. I accept now the Jay picture isn't so bad and of course I would normally make quite a few pp adjustments to the raw output to get the best results. I'm hoping to do some swaps with NeilP who has a K5 and DA*300. I will bide my time but the combination of the K-30+ the 300 DA* is not maybe the revolution I was expecting. I have a couple of decent shots now taken in good light but seeing some of the other comments I wonder if the Amazon batch are not quite up to scratch? Further tests with NeilP will help. Perhaps I was also sold on the hype a little of the K-30 being IQ wise the same as the K-5 but my experience is I can't see any difference to the K-r really so perhaps the reality is it is a small K-r upgrade and not a cheap K5!
These two are the best taken from a batch of shots taken with the K-r and the lens quickly swapped to the K-30. The light was average, all are F4 and ISO 400, hand held, 1/350 the with the K-r and 1/500th with the K-30. Identical pp and sharpening except the K-r shot is actually cropped more as it was slightly further away.
K-30

K-r

But all is not bad - taken in brilliant light with the Sigma 150-500 at 440mm.

These two are the best taken from a batch of shots taken with the K-r and the lens quickly swapped to the K-30. The light was average, all are F4 and ISO 400, hand held, 1/350 the with the K-r and 1/500th with the K-30. Identical pp and sharpening except the K-r shot is actually cropped more as it was slightly further away.
K-30

K-r

But all is not bad - taken in brilliant light with the Sigma 150-500 at 440mm.

Posted 19/11/2012 - 20:15
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Hi Dave,
I have done the same as you and I must say that pictures taken in very low light and of old buildings with a lot of detail are definately rendered better with my K-30 than my old k-r. If you take a lot of birds be interesting to see what you make of my Great Tit in the gallery taken on K30 with DA 55-300 at max length in Ok but not great light (shot in Jpeg Natural setting) Don't give up on the K30 just yet it may take a bit of getting used to.... the new autofocus, thats what im finding anyway. But i think given time with the camera in hand and the test charts in the drawer you'll come to appreciate its advantages.
Hope this placates you a little,
Daniel.
I have done the same as you and I must say that pictures taken in very low light and of old buildings with a lot of detail are definately rendered better with my K-30 than my old k-r. If you take a lot of birds be interesting to see what you make of my Great Tit in the gallery taken on K30 with DA 55-300 at max length in Ok but not great light (shot in Jpeg Natural setting) Don't give up on the K30 just yet it may take a bit of getting used to.... the new autofocus, thats what im finding anyway. But i think given time with the camera in hand and the test charts in the drawer you'll come to appreciate its advantages.
Hope this placates you a little,
Daniel.
Posted 22/11/2012 - 21:57
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I am getting better results now I think. One possible problem I may have had was the DA* 300 was new at the same time. Now I tend to hold the camera body in my right hand and support the lens underneath with my left. Due to increased weight all round and this lens having quick shift I wonder if after getting the focus and then when pressing the shutter I was fractionally turning the focus ring with my left hand. With my other long lens the Sigma 150-500 I always either held the (much better) tripod mount or the lens body but past the focus ring. The K30 grip is also less comfortable for me than the K-r - sticking out much more and not suiting my fairly small hands so well.
Posted 23/11/2012 - 17:00
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dcweather wrote:
I am getting better results now I think. One possible problem I may have had was the DA* 300 was new at the same time. Now I tend to hold the camera body in my right hand and support the lens underneath with my left. Due to increased weight all round and this lens having quick shift I wonder if after getting the focus and then when pressing the shutter I was fractionally turning the focus ring with my left hand. With my other long lens the Sigma 150-500 I always either held the (much better) tripod mount or the lens body but past the focus ring. The K30 grip is also less comfortable for me than the K-r - sticking out much more and not suiting my fairly small hands so well.
I saw (but haven't tried) a recommendation for supporting lenses like the DA*300.I am getting better results now I think. One possible problem I may have had was the DA* 300 was new at the same time. Now I tend to hold the camera body in my right hand and support the lens underneath with my left. Due to increased weight all round and this lens having quick shift I wonder if after getting the focus and then when pressing the shutter I was fractionally turning the focus ring with my left hand. With my other long lens the Sigma 150-500 I always either held the (much better) tripod mount or the lens body but past the focus ring. The K30 grip is also less comfortable for me than the K-r - sticking out much more and not suiting my fairly small hands so well.
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Posted 23/11/2012 - 18:44
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Thanks for that John. I've seen it but not tried it but I will definitely give it a go now.
Dave
Dave
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I find the K30 to be diferent to the K-R.
The sensor is colder, and my one appears to under exspose.
This is a JPEG from the original RAW no PP done except resizing.
Unless now i have found the exsposore slider i cant leave it alone.
Cheers
Dave