In camera raw processing
Posted 27/11/2010 - 15:22
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well, yes, because you have no control over the processing in the camera... which kind of defeats the point, no?
Bret
Bret
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Posted 27/11/2010 - 15:30
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bretti_kivi wrote:
well, yes, because you have no control over the processing in the camera... which kind of defeats the point, no?
Bret
Yes but would not the processing of the jpeg image give the final result as to the way you prefer the final image. Im not realy up to scratch having not processed raw files to be honest.well, yes, because you have no control over the processing in the camera... which kind of defeats the point, no?
Bret
Ian
Posted 27/11/2010 - 16:51
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The in-cam processing will essentially give you a JPEG as the camera would have shot it.
COnsidering the main advantage of RAW is the ability to change exposure, white balance, bring out shadow detail and adjust levels, using the in-cam stuff other than to create a quick full-size check shot is a bit pointless IMO.
Bret
COnsidering the main advantage of RAW is the ability to change exposure, white balance, bring out shadow detail and adjust levels, using the in-cam stuff other than to create a quick full-size check shot is a bit pointless IMO.
Bret
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my kit: K3, K5, K-01, DA 18-55, D-FA50 macro, Siggy 30/1.4, 100-300/f4, 70-200/2.8, Samsung 12-24/f4, Tamron 17-50, and lots of other bits.
my kit: K3, K5, K-01, DA 18-55, D-FA50 macro, Siggy 30/1.4, 100-300/f4, 70-200/2.8, Samsung 12-24/f4, Tamron 17-50, and lots of other bits.
Posted 27/11/2010 - 18:08
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But what is the difference to doing all of these re'ajusments in a jpeg as to a raw file. Sorry if Im missing something but I cant see the difference.
Ian
Ian
Posted 27/11/2010 - 18:14
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A computer has potentially more processing power than the camera. On the other hand, the camera can be programmed by the manufacturer to produce the optimum result. It's a moot point these days and as time goes by JPEG capture becomes better and better.
I suggest use what suits until there's some defect that doesn't live up to your requirements, but always keep investigating alternatives as things change very quickly.
I suggest use what suits until there's some defect that doesn't live up to your requirements, but always keep investigating alternatives as things change very quickly.
Best regards, John
Posted 27/11/2010 - 18:30
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Thanks John would it help to post a raw file processed in camera and the same photo in a j peg format. A freind of mine is always badgering me to shoot in raw but he has all kinds of soft ware programes which are very expensive. He does though produce some very nice photos.
Ian
Ian
Posted 27/11/2010 - 18:38
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Ian, you'll see the advantage of RAW when pulling detail back into 'burnt out' highlight areas and extremely dark shadow areas. The RAW file contains a little bit more information than a jpeg which allows this.
Typically RAW converters offer better noise reduction results compared to in camera jpeg processing, but the maybe that's more an issue for older bodies that struggle a bit more with noise than the K-r!
Typically RAW converters offer better noise reduction results compared to in camera jpeg processing, but the maybe that's more an issue for older bodies that struggle a bit more with noise than the K-r!
Posted 27/11/2010 - 18:46
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Pentaxophile wrote:
Ian, you'll see the advantage of RAW when pulling detail back into 'burnt out' highlight areas and extremely dark shadow areas. The RAW file contains a little bit more information than a jpeg which allows this.
Typically RAW converters offer better noise reduction results compared to in camera jpeg processing, but the maybe that's more an issue for older bodies that struggle a bit more with noise than the K-r!
Thanks for that info looks like I will have to do a little more digging on this subject.Ian, you'll see the advantage of RAW when pulling detail back into 'burnt out' highlight areas and extremely dark shadow areas. The RAW file contains a little bit more information than a jpeg which allows this.
Typically RAW converters offer better noise reduction results compared to in camera jpeg processing, but the maybe that's more an issue for older bodies that struggle a bit more with noise than the K-r!
Ian
Posted 27/11/2010 - 18:46
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GIMP / UFRaw. It's free and usable and effective.
A quick comparison with a shot I took a couple of weeks back... one is out of the camera with the in-cam processing, the other uses auto WB, a minor curve change, Blackpoint increase and saturation is +0.2.
Spot which one's which?
Bret


A quick comparison with a shot I took a couple of weeks back... one is out of the camera with the in-cam processing, the other uses auto WB, a minor curve change, Blackpoint increase and saturation is +0.2.
Spot which one's which?
Bret


my pics: link
my kit: K3, K5, K-01, DA 18-55, D-FA50 macro, Siggy 30/1.4, 100-300/f4, 70-200/2.8, Samsung 12-24/f4, Tamron 17-50, and lots of other bits.
my kit: K3, K5, K-01, DA 18-55, D-FA50 macro, Siggy 30/1.4, 100-300/f4, 70-200/2.8, Samsung 12-24/f4, Tamron 17-50, and lots of other bits.
Posted 27/11/2010 - 19:45
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RAW is truly RAW data so programs can interpreted differently than another program does, you can even see difference if you compare programs renders directly.
I'm sure you will be able to see a difference between in-camera and software as well.
I'm sure you will be able to see a difference between in-camera and software as well.
Posted 27/11/2010 - 19:47
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There looks to be more detail in pic 2 to my eye if you look at the blue coat but the sky looks a little washed out in the upper half but I would go for 2.
Ian
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