How low is low light?

sportyman531
Posted 25/01/2013 - 15:18 Link
In practical terms when does low light become a problem for autofocus?
If I'm on a railway station at night trying to shoot a train in the platform will the platform lights generally provide enough illumination?
Is one candle power in your living room what is really meant by "low light"? Again, is there much difference between a K5 and a KX for this?

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johnriley
Posted 25/01/2013 - 15:20 Link
Low light is when it's too dark to really manually focus properly, and particularly the K-5 II and IIs will carry on auto focusing quite happily. So your platform, streets lit at night, etc.

No problem:
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K-5 IIs, 43mm f/1.9, ISO 12800, 1/60s, f/1.9
Best regards, John
Edited by johnriley: 25/01/2013 - 15:23
sportyman531
Posted 25/01/2013 - 15:42 Link
I've seen a very good offer on the original K5 this week and I'm tempted even though I've just bought the Tamron 17-50 f2.8 from SRS.

Thanks,

Steve
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cabstar
Posted 25/01/2013 - 15:57 Link
The k-5 autofocus is not a patch on the mkii, in low light the mki will hunt, particularly with the tamron 17-50 attached.
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Blythman
Posted 25/01/2013 - 16:40 - Helpful Comment Link
K5 is still decent though. This was in the garden in the early hours (12:41am). Lit by a single sodium street lamp that I've colour corrected the best I can
1/30 sec at f2.8 and ISO 5000 using autofocus

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Fox in my garden by Alan Wennington, on Flickr
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Edited by Blythman: 25/01/2013 - 16:41
geordie01
Posted 25/01/2013 - 17:17 Link
Went and tried the K30 in low light and could not get it to focus at all tried every thing, focus switch on auto etc had me baffled.Even took the lens off and cleaned the contacts still nothing.After a bit of head scratching i had a eureka moment and checked the lens and that was it decided it would probably work if i took off the manual focus lensand as if by magic all was well again!
Edited by geordie01: 25/01/2013 - 17:19
sportyman531
Posted 25/01/2013 - 17:19 Link
It's probably good enough for the odd occasion when I might use it.
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sportyman531
Posted 25/01/2013 - 20:20 Link
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Our local pub taken with the KX, focussing looks OK to me.
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Edited by sportyman531: 25/01/2013 - 20:20
Mike-P
Posted 25/01/2013 - 21:00 Link
sportyman531 wrote:

Our local pub taken with the KX, focussing looks OK to me.
Let me guess ... focus point was that nice bright Eagle & Child sign?
sportyman531
Posted 25/01/2013 - 22:05 Link
It looks bright in the darkness but it's designed to illuminate the pub sign, I'm across the road on the car park, the strength of the light diminishes by 4x the distance from the camera. If the camera will focus under these conditions it will focus on a station platform or in a railway yard.
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Mike-P
Posted 25/01/2013 - 22:10 Link
As long as you are happy then that's all that matters.
johnriley
Posted 26/01/2013 - 00:13 Link
Here's one from a short while ago, the same scene as my earlier shot in this thread:
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This was the K-5 and 43mm. I focused on the dark car just to the right, so low light performance even on the K-5 is not too shabby.
Best regards, John
screwdriver
Posted 26/01/2013 - 10:45 Link
sportyman531 wrote:
It looks bright in the darkness but it's designed to illuminate the pub sign, I'm across the road on the car park, the strength of the light diminishes by 4x the distance from the camera. If the camera will focus under these conditions it will focus on a station platform or in a railway yard.
Camera to subject light doesn't diminish, only light from the light source to the subject diminishes with distance.
Chris
Edited by screwdriver: 26/01/2013 - 10:47
petrochemist
Posted 26/01/2013 - 11:52 Link
screwdriver wrote:
sportyman531 wrote:
It looks bright in the darkness but it's designed to illuminate the pub sign, I'm across the road on the car park, the strength of the light diminishes by 4x the distance from the camera. If the camera will focus under these conditions it will focus on a station platform or in a railway yard.
Camera to subject light doesn't diminish, only light from the light source to the subject diminishes with distance.
Light in both directions will diminish as it spreads to cover more area.

It's not proportional to 4x the distance but to the inverse square of the distance - doubling the distance gives 1/4 the light, three times the distance is 1/9, ten times the distance only 1% of the light.

However the lights here are quite bright & hardly class as low light.
The other night I was photographing candles, getting towards low light but my K7 managed OK. Photographing the river at night however was beyond it, even with a full moon.
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Mike-P
Posted 26/01/2013 - 12:16 Link
Personally I would class Alan's picture as low light but it looks like the camera has front focused quite a bit judging from the snow in front of the fox (focus seems to be around the foot prints area).

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