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Posted 25/03/2010 - 07:14
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Heres another I having trouble with. Any help greatly apprieciated.
[IMG]http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss344/ems82_photos/mainentrance_edited-1.jpg[/IMG]
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Emma
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Posted 25/03/2010 - 09:05
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Hi Emma,
What is it that is frustrating you / what are you attempting that is not yet working for you?
Is it something you are seeing in the image, or is it the functionality of PSE itself (or both?).
What is it that is frustrating you / what are you attempting that is not yet working for you?
Is it something you are seeing in the image, or is it the functionality of PSE itself (or both?).
Posted 25/03/2010 - 09:18
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Hello i-berg They just seem to be jumping out they seem too flat. Ive been fiddling for ages
Emma
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Posted 25/03/2010 - 09:18
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Emma these look fine to me. I might try selecting the top half of the ruiver scene - just above the bridge and increasing contrast.
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Andrew
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Posted 25/03/2010 - 09:18
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I like them but dont love them if you no what i mean
Emma
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Posted 25/03/2010 - 09:32
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hopw you dont mind i had a quick play, i thought the building to the right was a little too much hidden and wanted to make it more visible, also the 2 tree's that are more of a centre point i've brought out a bit more too, selective levels adjust, some dodge and burn and some selective contrast adjust, only done quickly but i think i quite like it,
What do you think?
What do you think?
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Posted 25/03/2010 - 09:39
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I agree, It depends on what your trying to achieve.
It would help to know what method your using to do the B&W coversion.
It would help to know what method your using to do the B&W coversion.
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I like them but dont love them if you no what i mean
I suppose we all have shots like that, something we keep going back to time and again but we can never get it to push the right buttons, try putting them to one side for a while, then come back to them when your photoshop skills have increased.
I like them but dont love them if you no what i mean
Posted 25/03/2010 - 10:50
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This is tricky, in the second you have overexposed, the dark walls have tricked the camera's meter causing the highlights to be burnt out and there is nothing you can do about that sadly.
You can get a bit more punch by teaking levels as shown below, I then dodged the wall on the right and burnt in the highlights a little.
As Impotentspider says it would be useful to know what you have already done, I'd like to see the original.
You can get a bit more punch by teaking levels as shown below, I then dodged the wall on the right and burnt in the highlights a little.
As Impotentspider says it would be useful to know what you have already done, I'd like to see the original.
Ken
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“We must avoid however, snapping away, shooting quickly and without thought, overloading ourselves with unnecessary images that clutter our memory and diminish the clarity of the whole.” - Henri Cartier-Bresson -
Posted 25/03/2010 - 10:53
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Emma,
What I see is that both of these images have strong elements that make for great shots.
I suspect that the thing that could be causing you grief, is that they both have "High Dynamic Range" (HDR) features too - areas of significant shadow, as well as blown or nearly blown highlights.
Witness the arch at the top of the stairs (overexposed) versus the areas closer to the camera, in the second image.
That is difficult for the camera to handle with a single exposure. If applying global adjustments to the image, then as soon as you compensate for one, you make the other worse.
Is that starting to sound like what's happening?
If the image has sufficient remaining detail in both highlights and shadows, you could try selective adjustments to specific areas, with masks. Alternatively, make copies of the image, and adjust each for the differences (doge and burn), then superimpose them and use masks again.
Alternatively, give up on the shadows - accept them as blocked up, black areas (that works in the right shots), and fix the highlights?
Someone more talented will no doubt have far better advice for you Emma - I've been banging on long enough! :arrow:
What I see is that both of these images have strong elements that make for great shots.
I suspect that the thing that could be causing you grief, is that they both have "High Dynamic Range" (HDR) features too - areas of significant shadow, as well as blown or nearly blown highlights.
Witness the arch at the top of the stairs (overexposed) versus the areas closer to the camera, in the second image.
That is difficult for the camera to handle with a single exposure. If applying global adjustments to the image, then as soon as you compensate for one, you make the other worse.
Is that starting to sound like what's happening?
If the image has sufficient remaining detail in both highlights and shadows, you could try selective adjustments to specific areas, with masks. Alternatively, make copies of the image, and adjust each for the differences (doge and burn), then superimpose them and use masks again.
Alternatively, give up on the shadows - accept them as blocked up, black areas (that works in the right shots), and fix the highlights?
Someone more talented will no doubt have far better advice for you Emma - I've been banging on long enough! :arrow:
Posted 25/03/2010 - 10:55
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Apologies Ken - I think our posts crossed in the mail!
Posted 25/03/2010 - 14:50
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Here's my attempt, selective cloning, selective levels adjustment, selective highlights etc adjustments.
[IMG]http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad254/weldingblues/Modified%20forum%20shots/Ems82-Mainentrace-edited.jpg[/IMG]
What do you think?
BR
[IMG]http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad254/weldingblues/Modified%20forum%20shots/Ems82-Mainentrace-edited.jpg[/IMG]
What do you think?
BR
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Posted 25/03/2010 - 19:14
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Well here are the 2 originals Thanks for having a go guys Colin and Glover i like your conversion of the stairs Ken yours seems to be a bit too grey if you no what I mean.
[IMG]http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss344/ems82_photos/20080104_23.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss344/ems82_photos/SG102056.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss344/ems82_photos/20080104_23.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss344/ems82_photos/SG102056.jpg[/IMG]
Emma
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Posted 25/03/2010 - 21:25
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Hi Emma,
Something like this?
[IMG]http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad254/weldingblues/Modified%20forum%20shots/Ems82-Mainentrace-edited2.jpg[/IMG]
Regards
Something like this?
[IMG]http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad254/weldingblues/Modified%20forum%20shots/Ems82-Mainentrace-edited2.jpg[/IMG]
Regards
Colin
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