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Posted 05/08/2011 - 01:48
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Blythman wrote:
I saw that
Do you hand over copyright to Tyne Tees. I was talking to someone last weekend who said the BBC can sell pictures which are sent in for their weather spot. And that T&Cs give them full copyright
BBC standard T&Cs are that they don't take copyright, but they do take a license which allows them to do anything they like to the image (including selling it to other media organisations and not giving any of the proceeds to the photographer) and keep it forever. Britain (or really the EU, since copyright is one of the things done mainly at EU level) really needs an equivalent of UCTA/UTCCR for user generated content.
I saw that
Do you hand over copyright to Tyne Tees. I was talking to someone last weekend who said the BBC can sell pictures which are sent in for their weather spot. And that T&Cs give them full copyright
Posted 05/08/2011 - 02:09
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In the UK Copyright is automatically generated as soon as you put an original work into tangible form. With music, for example, that can be a manuscript or recording. In photography it's generated as soon as you take the photograph and it's stored on your SD Card.
That is the 'level' at which copyright is done.
That is the 'level' at which copyright is done.
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Posted 05/08/2011 - 08:05
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But you still have to prove it. Common advice in USA, whether or not you take the extra step there of formally registering your copyright, is to simply seal a copy of the item in an envelope and post it to your self (or your lawyer). And don't open it until needed by a court. The date stamp should easily prove your ownership provided you did it early enough.
In this country with RMs somewhat haphazard method of postmarking, taking it to a PO for mailing and asking for a date stamp at the counter might be advisable.
In this country with RMs somewhat haphazard method of postmarking, taking it to a PO for mailing and asking for a date stamp at the counter might be advisable.
Posted 05/08/2011 - 09:18
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MrCynical wrote:
Thanks for clarifying. So in the case I was referring to, a woman found an image that she'd taken of Hadrian's wall. She queried where they had got the image from. They told her it had been bought from an agency. On contacting the agency they said they'd bought it from the BBC.
Blythman wrote:
I saw that
Do you hand over copyright to Tyne Tees. I was talking to someone last weekend who said the BBC can sell pictures which are sent in for their weather spot. And that T&Cs give them full copyright
BBC standard T&Cs are that they don't take copyright, but they do take a license which allows them to do anything they like to the image (including selling it to other media organisations and not giving any of the proceeds to the photographer) and keep it forever. Britain (or really the EU, since copyright is one of the things done mainly at EU level) really needs an equivalent of UCTA/UTCCR for user generated content.I saw that
Do you hand over copyright to Tyne Tees. I was talking to someone last weekend who said the BBC can sell pictures which are sent in for their weather spot. And that T&Cs give them full copyright
Posted 05/08/2011 - 09:30
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Blythman wrote:
Thanks for clarifying. So in the case I was referring to, a woman found an image that she'd taken of Hadrian's wall. She queried where they had got the image from. They told her it had been bought from an agency. On contacting the agency they said they'd bought it from the BBC.
But what license do the BBC grant to the entity to which they sell the image? Surely not one that gives them the right to resale (without copyright)?
Thanks for clarifying. So in the case I was referring to, a woman found an image that she'd taken of Hadrian's wall. She queried where they had got the image from. They told her it had been bought from an agency. On contacting the agency they said they'd bought it from the BBC.
Posted 05/08/2011 - 09:51
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Extract from T&C's
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.5. How can I make contributions to the BBC?
5.1 The BBC may invite you to make, share or submit your own, original contributions to BBC Online Services. These Terms of Use and any Additional Terms for particular BBC Online Services set out the rules governing how you may do so and how the BBC may use your contribution. Your contribution may include text, photographs, graphics, video or audio.
5.2 If you submit your contribution to the BBC you must allow the BBC to use the material in your contribution in any way it may reasonably choose on a free-of-charge basis in any media throughout the world. Any contributions you make may be moderated by the BBC which means they may be reviewed, edited and/or removed. The BBC reserves the right to remove any of your contributions if the BBC believes that they do not comply with the Terms.
5.3 You grant the BBC the right to change or edit the materials in your contribution for operational and editorial reasons. The BBC may also share your contribution with trusted third parties, for instance with other users of BBC Online Services or, in the case of news-related material, the BBC may share your contribution with its overseas partners (for instance reputable foreign news broadcasters).
5.4 Any copyright in your contribution will remain with you and this permission is not exclusive, so you can continue to use the material you contribute in any way including allowing others to use it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/terms/personal.shtml#4
.5. How can I make contributions to the BBC?
5.1 The BBC may invite you to make, share or submit your own, original contributions to BBC Online Services. These Terms of Use and any Additional Terms for particular BBC Online Services set out the rules governing how you may do so and how the BBC may use your contribution. Your contribution may include text, photographs, graphics, video or audio.
5.2 If you submit your contribution to the BBC you must allow the BBC to use the material in your contribution in any way it may reasonably choose on a free-of-charge basis in any media throughout the world. Any contributions you make may be moderated by the BBC which means they may be reviewed, edited and/or removed. The BBC reserves the right to remove any of your contributions if the BBC believes that they do not comply with the Terms.
5.3 You grant the BBC the right to change or edit the materials in your contribution for operational and editorial reasons. The BBC may also share your contribution with trusted third parties, for instance with other users of BBC Online Services or, in the case of news-related material, the BBC may share your contribution with its overseas partners (for instance reputable foreign news broadcasters).
5.4 Any copyright in your contribution will remain with you and this permission is not exclusive, so you can continue to use the material you contribute in any way including allowing others to use it.
Posted 05/08/2011 - 10:15
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IANAL but it doesn't seem to grant BBC any rights of resale which they can pass on to others. IOW "may also share your contribution with trusted third parties" and "may share your contribution with its overseas partners" may be loose enough to allow reward (sale) but selling to an agency for general resale can't be covered by that, too much of a stretch surely?
Posted 05/08/2011 - 10:29
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And here is an extract of T&C's from ITV for web submissions
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By making a Submission to our Website, you grant us a worldwide, perpetual, non-exclusive, royalty-free and transferable licence (with the right to sub-license) to use, edit, reproduce, record, modify, translate, distribute, play, perform, make available to the other users of the Services, prepare derivative works of and to display your Submission by any medium or method whether now known or later developed to be exercised in our sole discretion throughout the world for the full term of copyright and other rights and all renewable and extension thereof including, for the avoidance of doubt, the right to register any design rights and/or trademarks. You agree to waive your moral rights in your Submission.
By making a Submission to our Website, you grant us a worldwide, perpetual, non-exclusive, royalty-free and transferable licence (with the right to sub-license) to use, edit, reproduce, record, modify, translate, distribute, play, perform, make available to the other users of the Services, prepare derivative works of and to display your Submission by any medium or method whether now known or later developed to be exercised in our sole discretion throughout the world for the full term of copyright and other rights and all renewable and extension thereof including, for the avoidance of doubt, the right to register any design rights and/or trademarks. You agree to waive your moral rights in your Submission.
Posted 05/08/2011 - 10:33
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ITV seems to have slipped up, they missed out the bit about rights to your firstborn!
Posted 05/08/2011 - 10:40
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Clearly the lawyers wrote the T&Cs and covered every possible avenue where their client might be brought to book.
Some of this does I think relate to giving permission to publicly display the contribution across the media and across the world, without which the Internet would be a minefield of permissions in each market.
Some of it may be a bit OTT and could be used in a way beyond the initial intention.
Some of this does I think relate to giving permission to publicly display the contribution across the media and across the world, without which the Internet would be a minefield of permissions in each market.
Some of it may be a bit OTT and could be used in a way beyond the initial intention.
Best regards, John
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