Good bye Pentax! Forever?

as a last word on this from me Pentax has suffered a loss of competitiveness YES this is true BUT ask yourself WHY here is a few points to concider

Q/ a large proportion of lenses in the SMC range for instance are F4 why is this

A/ pentax kept the filter thread to 49mm so the owners of their system US dont have to buy shed loads of filters

Q/ why are pentax AF lenses are slower than thier commpetitors

A/ because pentax have kept the same K lens mount so that the owner of their system US dont have to change all of our lenses

Q/ why have pentax not produced a digital camera more than 6meg to keep up with the other s

A/ pentax had a 35mm digital chip camera the MZD which was never launched this was being developed in partnership with contax and phillips thay decided not to go ahead because thay could not justify the £2500 price tag it would have cost the owners of their system US


pentax only have one group of people in mind when thay design cameras and lenses THE OWNERS OF THEIR SYSTEM US not the board of directors and investors unlike canon nikon and minolta

IF YOU DECIDE TO GO FOR CANON OR NIKON CHECK OUT THE LENS SITUATION I SOLD MY D300 BECAUSE THE LARGE MAGORITY OF EOS LENSES DO NOT WORK ON THE DIGITAL CAMERA THIS IS THE SAME WITH NIKON CERTAIN LENSES DO NOT WORK ON THE DIGITAL CAMERAS AND WHEN THAY DO FIT THE FUNCTIONS ARE SO LIMITED THEIR IS NO POINT

this is my last post on this subject good luck in the future simon what ever you decide to do i hope this debate has helped cheers ali

Having never submitted an image for publication, I’m curious as to what format you would supply to the publisher, surely not the RAW image, I’m guessing it would be Tiff or a 100% jpg format. If this is the case an 8MP jpg would have to have been interpolated from the converted RAW file and a Tiff would have to be downsized.

If this is the case surely a simple hack of the exif would be enough to fool anybody, or am I being to simplistic?

Brian,
They don't check the EXIF, as far as I'm aware. Alamy, for instance, want high quality TIFF images. Exactly how you get them, they don't care (so if you have a high quality image from a 1Mp camera - they don't mind). Of course, they'll accept high quality scans as well (for those on film). As always, it's the image that counts, not how you got there
You can choose to rip out the EXIF data... or better still replace it with the keyword information (e.g. with Adobe Bridge or CS2).

(If you go for bureau stuff, just watch the small print of the license.)

Matt

Dont believe ALL this digi stuff. I was fairly recently asked by major publisher, Hodder & Stoughton, to take snaps for a book. They insisted that they were large to medium format. Given the brief, 35mm or digital was the way to go. I decided that if push came to shove, I would shoot on 35 and have larger internegs made. Eventually the editor agreed with me and said 'Go ahead and shoot on 33 RPM' - you cant make stuff like this up!

ken

Perhaps clarifying you position would help. Are you referring to file compression? Cos that WILL affect quality.

Thanx for that, I'll read that in more detail when I get time. I trust it will support your claim about the number of ACTUAL pixels within the TOTR canon.

D100 has 10.2mp not 6.1

Correct, I'll support that

Yes debate is the correct word and it has been interesting. Thanx for your support in my career. Cheers!

Can't remember saying that i was feeling discriminated. However, from the recent Zzzz seminar, I'll leave you this story.

Two pictures were presented in a seminar, one of a Vauxhall and the other of a Audi. The members were asked which car did they prefer. The answer was Audi.
The members were told of the performance of both cars, which were the same and then asked again which did they prefer. Audi was still the answer.
The members were then told of the specs, which again was the same. The members still preferred the Audi.
The members were then told of the price, which the Audi cost £8000 more. However, the members still preferred the Audi.
Do you know the moral of the story?

Didn't I say that Pentax DSLRs did not meet my requirements. Didn't I say that I had trouble getting the D and DS from general Sale. However, I got some stupid replies (not from you personally) like getting a Pentax from Germany. Sorry! No camera no sale. That's the second time I've stated that

I did say I'll admit I've made a mistake if I'm proved wrong. So far that day has not come.

perhaps that's why Pentax has fallen behind with the times. BTW Minolta has pulled out of the DSLR market. Will Pentax be next? Hope not!!

Matt is quite correct. The Nikon D70, D100 and D50 all have 6.1Mp, and use the same sensor as the *ist D, DS(2), DL(2). It's the (rather pricey) Nikon D200 that has 10.2 Mp, and presumably the same sensor as the eagerly awaited 10.2 Mp Pentax DSLR will have.

It's a fact, though, that a number of stock agencies now say that they require pictures from an 8Mp SLR, so if you want to work for them your choice is made for you.

As has been mentioned above, raw megapixel count is a rather crude measure of image quality, particularly given the different technology used in different sensors, but even if it was a perfect yardstick there would still be very little difference in quality between a 6Mp and an 8Mp image. For the same print resolution, the 8Mp image would only be 15% wider/taller.

Steve

http://www.siblingmedia.com/

Indeed the D100 does have 6mp and not the 10.2 as I claimed, so my mistake there. Do you not think it's a shame that Pentax users have to wait until October for a 10.2mp? You must have to admit that Pentax have fallen behind somewhat.

The money is good but the higher work is done with people that own D2x and EOS-1DS.

I guess what agencies are after is peak quality, and they know they can get it

simonsteph
Hurry up and catch the bus then.

Simonsteph,

I still don't know why you posted here. You have said nothing remotely new, relevant or interesting to members of a Pentax forum.

You appear not even to know that images can be upsampled from 6MP to whatever size you like (within reason).

You are very coy about the camera you have actually bought, as though anyone here cares a damn.

Basically, you are a troll, and I invite you to go off and infest the forums of whichever make you have chosen. It's somebody else's turn to be bored.

Goodbye.

George
(sitting back to wait for some petulant, self-justifying whinge from this deluded nitwit)

Lets let him have the last word (I'm sure he won't let anybody else have it)
and anybody wanting something more interesting to read than simonstephs retaliation for this post, can find some thing more interesting to read here:

http://www.humormeonline.com/archives/defunitions/defunitions_25Sep05.html
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IF YOU THINK PENTAX HAVE FALLEN BEHIND THE TIMES GO TO PHOTKINA IN OCTOBER AND SEE WHAT THE OTHERS HAVE GOT THATS NEW

I WOULDNT CALL 10 MEGAPIXEL BEHIND THE TIMES

PENTAX DONT RUSH OUT CAMERAS THAT ARE SUPERSEEDED IN THREE MONTHS BY A BETTER MODEL

NIKON D100 OUT DATED AND OUT CLASSED BY THE D80

CANON D300 OUT DATED AND OUT CLASSED BY THE D350

ALL THOUSE USERS MUST BE LIVID TO FIND THEIR NEW DIGITAL CAMERA HAS LOST £400-£800 IN THREE MONTHS AND THE LOWER MODEL IS BETTER

ANYWAY BORED NOW PLEASE DONT MISS QUOTE ME AGAIN THANKS

Hi..

Boys...calm down, please, this thread looks like something on photo.net with the C & N boys at war again...the first post on this thread was actually a totally reasonable and fair one, seemingly posted by a Pentax user just asking effectively why in his opinion, has Pentax seemingly left a lot of the market to other camera makers...it just got out of hand... the original Q was well worth investigating..

Cheers Steve.

Steve,

With respect, this topic has been debated to death in every camera forum. Pentax fell behind when they were forced to abandon their first DSLR. By the autumn they will be up to speed.

This guy was just telling us how clever he thinks he is.

John

Ok, this is beginning to get out of hand...
And I'm getting bored too

Now, if anyone had bothered to do any research you'll find this (which is what I was saying all along):
Like I said, 6Mp is not really a problem. You can claim that it is, and that's your perogative. If you stop and think about for it more than a millisecond, you'll remember that professional DSLRs weren't always 8Mp+. Even 1Mp DSLRs were used for professional purposes.

Regarding the pixel count issue - it's down to physics. The sensors are ALL (with the exception, as I said, of the Foveon sensor found only in Sigma DSLRs) monochrome. If they say they have 6Mp, they capture 6 million grey values. How do they get the colour? They put a micro filter over the CCD so that each pixel records red OR green OR blue (they can't do all three at once). Consequently, whatever pixel count the sensor has, one half are dedicated to green, one quarter to blue, and one quarter to red. To get a FULL colour image you HAVE to interpolate (i.e. guess) the missing pixels, because you need equal quantities of each colour (so that each pixel has red, blue, and green).

Now, back to the original question - yes, maybe Pentax are a lagging a bit behind in the pro market. Granted. The AF is slower than other offerings. Granted.

But neither point prevents Pentax DSLRs being used for professional work.

And, like the original *ist-D, I think it's worth the wait (I very nearly switched brands, but hung in there and personally am pleased I did.)

As I've been saying all along - if you want to switch to another brand, that's fine. I've seen brilliant photos on pretty well every make of DSLR there is. I've also seen pretty terrible ones on all of them as well. It's primarily down to the photographer.

Now I don't mind what camera you use (I comment and appreciate many images on ephotozine), but this forum is here primarily to help Pentax users. So let's keep it that way, shall we?

Matt

What a nasty Man!! Anyway, I still own a Pentax. I still use a Pentax. So why shouldn't I still post? Is it because you don't like my opinion and I should be oppressed?

D100 was replaced by the D200

Are you sure about that?


Thanks to all that replied with sense especially MattMatic, who even supplied some techno stuff. That senor stuff is quite interesting.

I just hope that Pentax doesn't leave the photograph market. Their cameras have been unique and well constructed. My choice of camera hasn't been easy, I had to be careful with the choice of lens because as stated earier, not by me, not all lenses work with my camera. I already knew that.

I'm off to shot some B&W, with film of course. I've suddenly went off digital for some reason, thanx MattMatic