Dslr for a newbie


McGregNi

Link Posted 15/03/2014 - 15:49
Smeggypants wrote:


You're trying to second guess the capabilities and learning ability of someone you don't even know? ....

... IMO I think it's down to budget, which was specified at around 250.

No, that's reading too much into it - none of us here are making such specific personal recommendations. We're all talking about cameras in general in relation to a 'type' of photographer (be that a 'newbie' or 'the likes of' Alan & co). Michael above also referred to such things as lightness and range of colours ... is that not second guessing the needs of someone we don't know as well?

The viewfinder focus indicators are a feature that I believe are important in assessing focus, making focus choices and understanding how the camera is seeing a scene, for any photographer really, but a learning aid for sure.
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Last Edited by McGregNi on 15/03/2014 - 15:50

jeallen01

Link Posted 15/03/2014 - 20:55
K-R every time! Newer, focus points visible, feels nice to handle & use!
K-3 II, K-3 and K-30 (now running the Hacked K-50 f/w, so it thinks it is one of those ), & some Sigma and Pentax lenses (and a lot of old 35mm gear!) - and now a K-70 from SRS

Nenix

Link Posted 15/03/2014 - 21:42
My first camera was K-R that I sold a few month ago ... and now, after reading all your suggestions, I will recommend to my friend to buy the "little" Pentak K-r.
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Papa_Lazarou

Link Posted 15/03/2014 - 21:52
Just picked up a K-r today for use as a second body. Great little camera and the ideal Pentax for a novice IMO.
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McGregNi

Link Posted 15/03/2014 - 23:15
Papa, what are some of the things about it that make it ideal for the novice?
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ronniemac

Link Posted 16/03/2014 - 00:53
I found a K-x (white) for my partner and a K-r for our son, sadly it was taken from him at gunpoint in Mexico recently - guess that says they are in demand!

Both are/were very happy with the cameras, she started with a film ME Super but both had mostly compact digital point and shoot experience. Their photos are excellent, so much better than anything they had taken with p & s, and they enjoy using a viewfinder. Son is now looking for a K-30 or K-50.

The advantage with these, (and the later K-30, K-50, and K-500) is that they offer full automation, scene settings, or full manual control which makes them easy to learn with but still good for snap shots. Best advice would be to try to find someone who will let your friend's daughter try it out.

If she is showing interest in photography, it's probably a good idea to spend less on the camera leaving something for lenses as Mark pointed out - there is always a good selection of inexpensive ones on ebay.

Gravelrash

Link Posted 16/03/2014 - 03:00
JonSchick wrote:
Difficult to know without talking to the daughter, but if she's anything like mine, I'd carve out some of that budget for a WiFi card or buy a WiFi enabled camera. Connectivity and sharing photographs is really important to my (17 year old) daughter so a camera that can't do that will be left at home after the novelty has worn off, whereas the cameraphone will be used.

This is described as a "first camera" rather than 'first serious camera" in which case I think some reflection on whether a dSLR is necessarily the right way to go is also worth having. Wildcard...Pentax Q (or micro Four Thirds). Or buy an MX-1 at the really good close out prices they're available for now.

Congrats on thinking outside the box. I would have initially suggested a K-r at the start of this thread but we are assuming she wants a DSLR from the title!

I have recently got an MX-1 and think it could be worth asking the question. It has more portability and a good zoom range with it's purpose built lens. It takes great pics in the "do-it-all-for-you" green setting or you can go fully manual if feeling creative.

Probably worth asking a few more questions of the recipient

K-r if it's defo a DSLR, MX-1 if not.
Steve

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Last Edited by Gravelrash on 16/03/2014 - 03:05

Smeggypants

Link Posted 16/03/2014 - 07:46
McGregNi wrote:
Papa, what are some of the things about it that make it ideal for the novice?

The price.
[i]Bodies: 1x K-5IIs, 2x K-5, Sony TX-5, Nokia 808
Lenses: Pentax DA 10-17mm ED(IF) Fish Eye, Pentax DA 14mm f/2.8, Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8, Pentax-A 28mm f/2.8, Sigma 30mm F1.4 EX DC, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.2, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-FA 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.7, Pentax DA* 50-135mm f/2.8, Sigma 135-400mm APO DG, and more ..
Flash: AF-540FGZ, Vivitar 283

Smeggypants

Link Posted 16/03/2014 - 07:55
McGregNi wrote:
Smeggypants wrote:


You're trying to second guess the capabilities and learning ability of someone you don't even know? ....

... IMO I think it's down to budget, which was specified at around 250.

No, that's reading too much into it - none of us here are making such specific personal recommendations. We're all talking about cameras in general in relation to a 'type' of photographer (be that a 'newbie' or 'the likes of' Alan & co). Michael above also referred to such things as lightness and range of colours ... is that not second guessing the needs of someone we don't know as well?

The viewfinder focus indicators are a feature that I believe are important in assessing focus, making focus choices and understanding how the camera is seeing a scene, for any photographer really, but a learning aid for sure.

but by making reference to a 'type' that's a pre-judgement. W

I don't believe there is a "type" of noobie. Some people new to photography could get to grips with the features of a Nikon D4 and some would have trouble with even the most basic point and shoot

Th OP asked for a recommendation for a camera around 250. There was no mention of lightness and range of colours.

I just don't think it's fair to second guess that just becuase it's someone's first camera they're intellectually limited in some way.
[i]Bodies: 1x K-5IIs, 2x K-5, Sony TX-5, Nokia 808
Lenses: Pentax DA 10-17mm ED(IF) Fish Eye, Pentax DA 14mm f/2.8, Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8, Pentax-A 28mm f/2.8, Sigma 30mm F1.4 EX DC, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.2, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-FA 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.7, Pentax DA* 50-135mm f/2.8, Sigma 135-400mm APO DG, and more ..
Flash: AF-540FGZ, Vivitar 283

johnriley

Link Posted 16/03/2014 - 09:41
No need to read so much into it. A beginner has a lot to learn, so a camera that's straightforward to use will be very helpful in that early stage. It's not that anyone is intellectually limited, and indeed there was no suggestion made of that, it's more that they don't have any extensive knowledge yet.

Therefore, it's perfectly legitimate to put oneself in their shoes having been asked for a recommendation. And to explain the rationale behind it.

So please don't pick at people's innocent opinions and make them out to be something they are not.

Now, back to topic please.
Best regards, John

Darkmunk

Link Posted 16/03/2014 - 12:43
OP, have you seen this complete kit for sale?
https://www.pentaxuser.com/forum/topic/fs--pentax-k-x-setup-48369
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Last Edited by Darkmunk on 16/03/2014 - 12:44

Nenix

Link Posted 16/03/2014 - 15:31
Darkmunk wrote:
OP, have you seen this complete kit for sale?
https://www.pentaxuser.com/forum/topic/fs--pentax-k-x-setup-48369

Thank you for info ...
PENTAX K-5IIs: DAL 18-55mm WR, DA 50-135mm, DA 55-300, DA 17-70, Tamron Sp 90 2.8 macro
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