DA*200 anyone?
Posted 23/06/2009 - 02:14
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Anvh wrote:
Thank you Lance.
I take every review with a pint of salt surely those on photozone, don't know why but they are never happy with a pentax lens.
I agree that Photozone is not that impressed with Pentax lenses, why I do not know as they stack up very well against any lens. In fact, I think they rely on the measured data too much when they make their judgement, rather than actual image results.Thank you Lance.
I take every review with a pint of salt surely those on photozone, don't know why but they are never happy with a pentax lens.
I would say that the Photozone results are just an indicator and not to be taken as gospel. Generally, their MTF results seem to marry up with my impressions of a lenses sharpness when you compare one Pentax lens to another. I only used Photozone as a reference or guide, not as the be all and end all.
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I see your point wiht the FA*80-200 but that is a more expensive lens then the DA*200 and I really don't need the zoom i simply need a lens around 200mm nothing more nothing less.
I also love primes so lens switch is not an minus for me, I would be able to use it lovely besides the DA40, DFA100 and when doing portrait with the DA*50-135 I can see how it might be nice to have a 200mm f/2.8 for the really tight shots and I would want to have the f/2.8 there for the bokeh but f/4 would be neough as well.
With these reasons in mind, then the DA*200 would be an obvious choice for you. I see your point wiht the FA*80-200 but that is a more expensive lens then the DA*200 and I really don't need the zoom i simply need a lens around 200mm nothing more nothing less.
I also love primes so lens switch is not an minus for me, I would be able to use it lovely besides the DA40, DFA100 and when doing portrait with the DA*50-135 I can see how it might be nice to have a 200mm f/2.8 for the really tight shots and I would want to have the f/2.8 there for the bokeh but f/4 would be neough as well.
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Why do you need to stop down the DA*200, looks more then good enough wide open to me?
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There is NO DOUBT that the image results are EXCELLENT from the DA*200 and this is exactly what I was talking about with the test results from Photozone, in that we can rely too heavily on measured results rather than actual image results and I can be guilty of that as the next person. Why do you need to stop down the DA*200, looks more then good enough wide open to me?
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And yes the bokeh looks good but the DA*60-250 is also very good at that so far as I've seen so that only makes the choice harder.
The range I'm mostly in is now covered with the DA*50-135 so I don't need a zoom for anything longer.
You may have answered your question. And yes the bokeh looks good but the DA*60-250 is also very good at that so far as I've seen so that only makes the choice harder.
The range I'm mostly in is now covered with the DA*50-135 so I don't need a zoom for anything longer.
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So is it worth to buy the 60-250 and only use that around the range of 200mm???
The price difference here is €300 (£250) for something that would probable not be better besides the zoom I don't need.
Of course, this is a question only you can answer and I do not envy that choice.
So is it worth to buy the 60-250 and only use that around the range of 200mm???
The price difference here is €300 (£250) for something that would probable not be better besides the zoom I don't need.
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Posted 23/06/2009 - 09:17
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Looks like I'm the only person here that has one, which I use for indoor event photography.
I love the rendering of this lens, which is more old-style Pentax It's very sharp right across the frame at f2.8 and the bokeh is superb (reminding me of 60's or 70's lenses). It doesn't sharpen up hugely as you stop down and I think that peak sharpness is less (but more uniform) than say the DA300. There is some purple-fringing wide-open, but I haven't noticed anything too intrusive.
The DOF at f2.8 is very narrow and I would say that my K20D struggles to focus it accurately wide-open in low light or on quickly moving subjects. On the other hand, manual focus is very easy effective.
Size-wise it's the same length as the DA50-135 (smaller with the hoods attached), but it is quite a lot heavier.
However compared to the DA60-250, it is a lot smaller and lighter and much more easily hand-holdable. In terms of IQ, I don't know how the two compare as I've only tried a pre-production 60-250, which was rather poor.
R
I love the rendering of this lens, which is more old-style Pentax It's very sharp right across the frame at f2.8 and the bokeh is superb (reminding me of 60's or 70's lenses). It doesn't sharpen up hugely as you stop down and I think that peak sharpness is less (but more uniform) than say the DA300. There is some purple-fringing wide-open, but I haven't noticed anything too intrusive.
The DOF at f2.8 is very narrow and I would say that my K20D struggles to focus it accurately wide-open in low light or on quickly moving subjects. On the other hand, manual focus is very easy effective.
Size-wise it's the same length as the DA50-135 (smaller with the hoods attached), but it is quite a lot heavier.
However compared to the DA60-250, it is a lot smaller and lighter and much more easily hand-holdable. In terms of IQ, I don't know how the two compare as I've only tried a pre-production 60-250, which was rather poor.
R
Posted 23/06/2009 - 18:09
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Lance B wrote:
Of course, this is a question only you can answer and I do not envy that choice.
Thank you Lance, if Pentax only had a longer zoom then the choice might be simpler but now. Of course, this is a question only you can answer and I do not envy that choice.
Reubenm thank you for your comment.
Finally something positive
Do you've an example of how it renders?
I like what the DA*50-135 do on f/2.8, simply love it. The DA*60-250 is maybe more perfect but it miss some magic from what I've seen. How does the DA*200 do with that?
Stefan
K10D, K5
DA* 16-50, DA* 50-135, D-FA 100 Macro, DA 40 Ltd, DA 18-55
AF-540FGZ
K10D, K5
DA* 16-50, DA* 50-135, D-FA 100 Macro, DA 40 Ltd, DA 18-55
AF-540FGZ
Posted 23/06/2009 - 21:59
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Hi Stefan,
I've sorted out some pictures which I took when I first had my DA*200 which I took to explore the lens' abilities.
All are straight out of camera with no post processing except to resize the full frame and a full scale crop to show detail.
1/250, f7.1, ISO 100
[IMG]http://bob-wallace.co.uk/pentax_forum_pictures/_k200696_resize.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://bob-wallace.co.uk/pentax_forum_pictures/_k200696_crop.jpg[/IMG]
1/500, f7.1, ISO 100
[IMG]http://bob-wallace.co.uk/pentax_forum_pictures/_k200713_resize.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://bob-wallace.co.uk/pentax_forum_pictures/_k200713_crop.jpg[/IMG]
1/500, f7.1, ISO 100
[IMG]http://bob-wallace.co.uk/pentax_forum_pictures/_k200738_resize.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://bob-wallace.co.uk/pentax_forum_pictures/_k200738_crop.jpg[/IMG]
1/1000, f5, ISO 100
[IMG]http://bob-wallace.co.uk/pentax_forum_pictures/_k200763_resize.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://bob-wallace.co.uk/pentax_forum_pictures/_k200763_crop.jpg[/IMG]
A high contrast picture to try to get purple fringing...
1/500, f7.1, ISO 100
[IMG]http://bob-wallace.co.uk/pentax_forum_pictures/_k200774_resize_jpg.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://bob-wallace.co.uk/pentax_forum_pictures/_k200774_crop_jpg.jpg[/IMG]
I've sorted out some pictures which I took when I first had my DA*200 which I took to explore the lens' abilities.
All are straight out of camera with no post processing except to resize the full frame and a full scale crop to show detail.
1/250, f7.1, ISO 100
[IMG]http://bob-wallace.co.uk/pentax_forum_pictures/_k200696_resize.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://bob-wallace.co.uk/pentax_forum_pictures/_k200696_crop.jpg[/IMG]
1/500, f7.1, ISO 100
[IMG]http://bob-wallace.co.uk/pentax_forum_pictures/_k200713_resize.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://bob-wallace.co.uk/pentax_forum_pictures/_k200713_crop.jpg[/IMG]
1/500, f7.1, ISO 100
[IMG]http://bob-wallace.co.uk/pentax_forum_pictures/_k200738_resize.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://bob-wallace.co.uk/pentax_forum_pictures/_k200738_crop.jpg[/IMG]
1/1000, f5, ISO 100
[IMG]http://bob-wallace.co.uk/pentax_forum_pictures/_k200763_resize.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://bob-wallace.co.uk/pentax_forum_pictures/_k200763_crop.jpg[/IMG]
A high contrast picture to try to get purple fringing...
1/500, f7.1, ISO 100
[IMG]http://bob-wallace.co.uk/pentax_forum_pictures/_k200774_resize_jpg.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://bob-wallace.co.uk/pentax_forum_pictures/_k200774_crop_jpg.jpg[/IMG]
Good luck
Bob
Pentax user since 1978, Digital since 1997.
Kit includes: K-7, K20D, K10D, *istDS, full set DA* lens, etc
Bob
Pentax user since 1978, Digital since 1997.
Kit includes: K-7, K20D, K10D, *istDS, full set DA* lens, etc
Posted 23/06/2009 - 22:56
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Anvh wrote:
Do you've an example of how it renders?
Looks like Bob beat me to it, but here's one that illustrates the rendering and bokeh quite nicely:Do you've an example of how it renders?
HTH,
R
Posted 24/06/2009 - 08:27
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Bob, on your aerial photo attempt to get purple fringing
you've photographed a gray aerial against a middle gray
background, so no wonder there isn't any
On such a high quality lens I doubt if there is much PF
even with tree branches against bright white clouds.
shim
you've photographed a gray aerial against a middle gray
background, so no wonder there isn't any
On such a high quality lens I doubt if there is much PF
even with tree branches against bright white clouds.
shim
Posted 25/06/2009 - 19:51
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Thank you for the photos, the lens looks very sharp.
Reuben that photo is lovely and the bokeh looks very good, wonderfull photo.
With wide open shots you do get PF but stopped down it seems that problem is solved.
This one is at f/2.8 but every lens will have a problem with that wide open so much link
This one is at f/4 link
If it suffered a lot from PF you would have seen it in the highlights in the water but no such thing.
Reuben that photo is lovely and the bokeh looks very good, wonderfull photo.
shim wrote:
Bob, on your aerial photo attempt to get purple fringing
you've photographed a gray aerial against a middle gray
background, so no wonder there isn't any
On such a high quality lens I doubt if there is much PF
even with tree branches against bright white clouds.
shim
It's also not wide open.Bob, on your aerial photo attempt to get purple fringing
you've photographed a gray aerial against a middle gray
background, so no wonder there isn't any
On such a high quality lens I doubt if there is much PF
even with tree branches against bright white clouds.
shim
With wide open shots you do get PF but stopped down it seems that problem is solved.
This one is at f/2.8 but every lens will have a problem with that wide open so much link
This one is at f/4 link
If it suffered a lot from PF you would have seen it in the highlights in the water but no such thing.
Stefan
K10D, K5
DA* 16-50, DA* 50-135, D-FA 100 Macro, DA 40 Ltd, DA 18-55
AF-540FGZ
K10D, K5
DA* 16-50, DA* 50-135, D-FA 100 Macro, DA 40 Ltd, DA 18-55
AF-540FGZ
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