Bounce type flashgun

Northerndj
Posted 09/07/2007 - 21:26 Link
Well this shows how long i have been out of it lol the flash is good on the K110d but i preefer a bounce type flash any ideas peeeps on what is a good type to get??
johnriley
Posted 09/07/2007 - 21:28 Link
Moved to Flash section
Best regards, John
Mannesty
Posted 09/07/2007 - 21:34 Link
Pentax AF540FGZ or AF360FGZ. The former has a tilt/swivel head. The latter has only tilt.
Peter E Smith - flickr Photostream
Northerndj
Posted 09/07/2007 - 21:40 Link
WOW there not cheep any recommendation on the eBay front ???

Sorry john i did look but could not find the Flash thread
Mannesty
Posted 09/07/2007 - 21:44 Link
Yes, Pentax AF540FGZ or AF360FGZ. If you want it to work properly, buy Pentax. There is a Sigma (something like DG500) that has had good reports. Just about any old Pentax fit flash gun will work fine in manual mode, but you need to do more work to get the exposure correct.
Peter E Smith - flickr Photostream
George Lazarette
Posted 09/07/2007 - 22:07 Link
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Yes, Pentax AF540FGZ or AF360FGZ. If you want it to work properly, buy Pentax. There is a Sigma (something like DG500) that has had good reports. Just about any old Pentax fit flash gun will work fine in manual mode, but you need to do more work to get the exposure correct.
Funnily enough, I have had the most consistent results on digital cameras using old auto-sensor flashes like the AF240Z. One was sold on Ebay today for under a tenner.

If budget is an issue, that's a good way to go.

G
Keywords: Charming, polite, and generally agreeable.
ChrisA
Posted 09/07/2007 - 22:16 Link
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Funnily enough, I have had the most consistent results on digital cameras using old auto-sensor flashes like the AF240Z. One was sold on Ebay today for under a tenner.
I've been experimenting a bit with an old auto-sensor flash - the Braun 320 BVC. It has bounce and swivel, but no zoom. And only one pin on the bottom. Nevertheless, I measured its trigger voltage at only about 8V, so I've gone ahead and used it on the K10D

I was getting a few underexposed shots until I noticed that if I zoomed the lens out a bit, the exposure was fine.

I came to the tentative conclusion that the angle of view seen by the sensor could, if the lens focal length was too long, be too great, and therefore respond to more reflected light than gets in through the lens.

Is this likely to be right?
Ammonyte
Posted 09/07/2007 - 22:57 Link
Chris,

I'd assume that the flash being pre-DSLR, doesn't allow for the FOV crop factor in the way that the newer flashes adjust correctly?
Tim the Ammonyte
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K10D & sundry toys
http://www.ammonyte.com/photos.html
ChrisA
Posted 09/07/2007 - 23:05 Link
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I'd assume that the flash being pre-DSLR, doesn't allow for the FOV crop factor in the way that the newer flashes adjust correctly?
That's a good point, which I hadn't thought of.

But wouldn't it be the case that regardless of the crop factor, a non-zoomable flash head will have a single focal length above which the sensor FOV, being fixed, is greater than the lens's one, assuming that the lens can be zoomed to a long enough focal length?

I guess the focal length at which this happens will be shorter with a DSLR though.
Ammonyte
Posted 09/07/2007 - 23:09 Link
Northerndj,

Samsung have versions of the 360 & 540 which are functionally identical (for the GX-x DSLRS) which will work fine on a 'tax and are cheaper.

Chris,

I think you answered your own question
Tim the Ammonyte
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K10D & sundry toys
http://www.ammonyte.com/photos.html
ChrisA
Posted 09/07/2007 - 23:13 Link
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I think you answered your own question
Absolutely. Most of what goes on inside my head makes perfect sense.

Till it comes out, that is, hence the thinking aloud...

Hey, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you
Ammonyte
Posted 09/07/2007 - 23:16 Link
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Hey, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you
Which is why I live in a shell
Tim the Ammonyte
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K10D & sundry toys
http://www.ammonyte.com/photos.html
George Lazarette
Posted 09/07/2007 - 23:24 Link
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George Lazarette wrote:
Funnily enough, I have had the most consistent results on digital cameras using old auto-sensor flashes like the AF240Z. One was sold on Ebay today for under a tenner.
I've been experimenting a bit with an old auto-sensor flash - the Braun 320 BVC. It has bounce and swivel, but no zoom. And only one pin on the bottom. Nevertheless, I measured its trigger voltage at only about 8V, so I've gone ahead and used it on the K10D

I was getting a few underexposed shots until I noticed that if I zoomed the lens out a bit, the exposure was fine.

I came to the tentative conclusion that the angle of view seen by the sensor could, if the lens focal length was too long, be too great, and therefore respond to more reflected light than gets in through the lens.

Is this likely to be right?
No.

G
Keywords: Charming, polite, and generally agreeable.
ChrisA
Posted 09/07/2007 - 23:27 Link
Quote:

I wrote:

I came to the tentative conclusion that the angle of view seen by the sensor could, if the lens focal length was too long, be too great, and therefore respond to more reflected light than gets in through the lens.

Is this likely to be right?
No.
Please elaborate
George Lazarette
Posted 10/07/2007 - 08:18 Link
Quote:
G wrote:

Quote:

I came to the tentative conclusion that the angle of view seen by the sensor could, if the lens focal length was too long, be too great, and therefore respond to more reflected light than gets in through the lens.

Is this likely to be right?
No.
Please elaborate
The sensor is a light meter, and it measures the light, then cuts off the power to the flash. The focal length of the lens and the size of the camera sensor are immaterial.

G
Keywords: Charming, polite, and generally agreeable.

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