Are You Satisfied

patrickt
Posted 04/08/2009 - 14:55 Link
I'm not as hardware focused as some. When I bought my IstD, I really liked it, enjoyed using it, and took some photos I really like with it. Then I bought the K10D when it had been out for about a year. The price had dropped, I had a lot of user comments, and decided it was a good move, even though I liked my IstD.

I got the K10D and rather quickly using my IstD was irritating. Probably my favorite characteristic for the K10D was I've never had to do a wet clean. I did a wet clean four or five times a year with the IstD. It was also more convenient to use and had more flexibility in assigning tasks to buttons and dials.

I just ordered a K20D. I'm not expecting it to be a big step from the K10D but with the K7 out the price was good, it has a few features that might be nice, users seem to like it, so I'll go with it.

So, for the specific question, no, I haven't upgraded or changed a digital camera and had regrets. Now with film cameras, I did.

People who buy DSLRs for some reason other than photography I think they are frequently disappointed.
rparmar
Posted 04/08/2009 - 15:57 Link
johnriley wrote:
Pentax make APS-C format DSLRs whereas Olympus make 4/3 System DSLRs, so I expect this was the reason for the comment about the formats being different.
Sorry, my mistake; you are correct of course. I even referred to 4/3 in a previous post.

The point about earlier Pentax DSLRs remains, however.
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Edited by rparmar: 04/08/2009 - 15:58
George Lazarette
Posted 04/08/2009 - 15:58 Link
I haven't stooped to personal remarks, Robin. I have attacked the fact that you have reviewed something you hadn't seen, and formed spurious conclusions as a result. If it is sad and pathetic to attack flawed methodology, then so be it.

I say your conclusions are spurious because other people who have actually owned and used the camera have not reported that they have an issue with the things you mention. No doubt the camera is not perfect, but viewed as a photographic tool, rather than as a design exercise, it seems to work just fine.

Perhaps your blog should be directed at designers and people in ivory towers, rather than at people who take pictures.

On here, we are more interested in how well something works in practice, rather than in your imagination.

G
Keywords: Charming, polite, and generally agreeable.
Edited by George Lazarette: 04/08/2009 - 16:08
George Lazarette
Posted 04/08/2009 - 16:06 Link
rparmar wrote:

The point about earlier Pentax DSLRs remains, however.
No, it doesn't. Shake reduction was not present in the early DSLRs.

G
Keywords: Charming, polite, and generally agreeable.
Edited by George Lazarette: 04/08/2009 - 16:08
rparmar
Posted 04/08/2009 - 16:10 Link
George Lazarette wrote:
I say your conclusions are spurious because other people who have actually owned and used the camera have not reported that they have an issue with the things you mention.
Not true. Some have found exactly the same problems in person that
I could easily see by looking at photos of the camera and comparing it to the bodies I have. Some have even returned the camera in dismay, as a result of the poor ergonomics. (Other reasons too, but several have singled out the handling.) Read around the forums and you will see.

But perhaps you think I should spend 1300 euros for the privilege of writing a blog article.

George Lazarette wrote:
No doubt the camera is not perfect, but viewed as a photographic tool, rather than as a design exercise, it seems to work just fine.
Almost any camera works "just fine" -- that is not the point. I want a camera that is significantly better than before, in order to justify parting with a significant chunk of money. Perhaps you are richer or more easily pleased. Fair enough.

George Lazarette wrote:
Perhaps your blog should be directed at designers and people in ivory towers, rather than at people who take pictures.
Tell you what, George, you write the blog you want to and I'll write the blog I want to. Fair?

I take tons of high quality photos that please many people. Unsolicited offers have started to come in for professional work, even though I've only had a DSLR for a year and a half. Examples of my work are not exactly hard to find on the web. My aim is better photography through better tools, practice and experience.

But, yes, I also have an imagination. I think it helps.

P.S. Your assertion that you "haven't stooped to personal remarks" would ring truer if your post didn't directly insult my writing, the purpose of my blog, my motivations and, indirectly, my photography.
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rparmar
Posted 04/08/2009 - 16:12 Link
George Lazarette wrote:
Shake reduction was not present in the early DSLRs.
That does not mean smaller cameras are not possible. The same argument was used to justify the larger size of the K10D and K20D. But, funny, my K100DS is smaller and still has SR.
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rparmar
Posted 04/08/2009 - 16:16 Link
ManixZero wrote:
Next upgrade - K20 perhaps if I can justify it but first I have a couple of lenses in mind!
A sensible approach. Bodies come and go, but good glass lasts forever. Within six months the hype machine will be spinning the glories of a new body with some flashy feature, while the FA77s or Taks of the world will be quietly assisting in some great photography.

That said, I upgraded from the K100DS to the K20D and find it a much nicer camera to use. Size and weight excepted of course.
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George Lazarette
Posted 04/08/2009 - 16:27 Link
I think we shall have to agree to differ.

G
Keywords: Charming, polite, and generally agreeable.
Mike-P
Posted 04/08/2009 - 16:34 Link
George Lazarette wrote:
I think we shall have to agree to differ.

I think you should have that as a signature George ...
aminstar
Posted 04/08/2009 - 16:35 Link
rparmar wrote:
Unsolicited offers have started to come in for professional work, even though I've only had a DSLR for a year and a half. Examples of my work are not exactly hard to find on the web.
Been reading this thread for the past couple of pages, and I have to agree with Mike-P first of all, although I am new to DSLR but common sense dictates that I would not take very seriously at least not to the point that it would sway me enough to consider buying something based on someone who has reviewed it without having used it.

Secondly, and with due respect rparmar, that comment you just made above carries all the hallmarks of vanity and arrogance, I can't even see a reason why you felt the urge to mention it.

What George has been refuting from what you wrote in your blog, quite rightly so, are points that most people who would read it would also raise questions about the reasoning behind what you are saying.

I don't own the K7 but I have used it enough to know that I definitely do not agree with your points about it. And probably if you used it, long enough to try and test all that it has to offer you might change your opinion and probably review of it too.
Greytop
Posted 04/08/2009 - 16:47 Link
I have to agree with Amin, in particular his second point, comments/statements like that make me wince just a bit

Sorry Robin but I just don't think anyone needs to make that kind of point however well intentioned it might have been
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George Lazarette
Posted 04/08/2009 - 16:47 Link
Mike-P wrote:
George Lazarette wrote:
I think we shall have to agree to differ.

I think you should have that as a signature George ...
I disagree.

G
Keywords: Charming, polite, and generally agreeable.
Greytop
Posted 04/08/2009 - 16:50 Link
George, you just about had me fall off my chair
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greynolds999
Posted 04/08/2009 - 21:10 Link
I think one thing has been forgotten. There's nothing quite like a new camera or lens to get you out taking photos!

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