Are these circular highlights ok?

kiwao
Posted 18/05/2014 - 13:21 Link
This image was taken with the da*200 at f2.8, 2000th shutter speed. I thought that highlights were shaped by the aperture and therefore as the lens is wide open these highlights should be circular. Am I correct?

Other images taken on the same day have similar shaped highlights but only at high shutter speeds above 2000.
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k5iis , 77mm ltd, 135mm f3.5 M, A35mm-105mm f3.5 zoom,17-50 sigma, k135mm f2.5, 43mm Ltd, DA*200mm.
Posted 18/05/2014 - 13:34 Link
Having difficulty making the links!
kiwao
Posted 18/05/2014 - 15:03 Link
Glowingblue wrote:
Having difficulty making the links!
click on the lower imgp in both cases and you will get to the link
k5iis , 77mm ltd, 135mm f3.5 M, A35mm-105mm f3.5 zoom,17-50 sigma, k135mm f2.5, 43mm Ltd, DA*200mm.
JohnX
Posted 18/05/2014 - 19:24 Link
I personally think that given you were shooting at 2000th that what you see is as good as it gets. It's a huge ask for a lens to stop down that quickly and settle into a perfect circle; just think of the inertia!

I'd try again at slower speeds and see what results you get then.

By the way, I really like your cherry blossom shots.
Blythman
Posted 18/05/2014 - 19:26 Link
Looks ok to me. That must be the shape of the aperture when wide open
Alan


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Posted 18/05/2014 - 20:17 Link
Thank you
kiwao wrote:
Glowingblue wrote:
Having difficulty making the links!
click on the lower imgp in both cases and you will get to the link
Smeggypants
Posted 19/05/2014 - 00:31 Link
JohnX wrote:
I personally think that given you were shooting at 2000th that what you see is as good as it gets. It's a huge ask for a lens to stop down that quickly and settle into a perfect circle; just think of the inertia!

I'd try again at slower speeds and see what results you get then.

By the way, I really like your cherry blossom shots.
Given the shutter doesn't operate until the lens has stopped down the shutter speed is ( or should be ) irrelevant. i.e the shutter speed is how long the shutter is open for NOT how long it takes to open after the button is pressed.
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kiwao
Posted 19/05/2014 - 01:33 Link
Smeggypants wrote:
JohnX wrote:
I personally think that given you were shooting at 2000th that what you see is as good as it gets. It's a huge ask for a lens to stop down that quickly and settle into a perfect circle; just think of the inertia!

I'd try again at slower speeds and see what results you get then.

By the way, I really like your cherry blossom shots.
Given the shutter doesn't operate until the lens has stopped down the shutter speed is ( or should be ) irrelevant. i.e the shutter speed is how long the shutter is open for NOT how long it takes to open after the button is pressed.
If the aperture is set at f2.8, wide open, and the camera focuses using that aperture then the blades would not operate and therefore should be wide open when the shutter operates. I am not sure at what aperture the camera focuses at but I think the aperture closes to f5.6 focuses then adjusts to the set aperture which in this case was f2.8 and if this is the case could it be that the shutter operating before the blades have finished?opening.
k5iis , 77mm ltd, 135mm f3.5 M, A35mm-105mm f3.5 zoom,17-50 sigma, k135mm f2.5, 43mm Ltd, DA*200mm.
kiwao
Posted 19/05/2014 - 01:37 Link
JohnX wrote:
I personally think that given you were shooting at 2000th that what you see is as good as it gets. It's a huge ask for a lens to stop down that quickly and settle into a perfect circle; just think of the inertia!

I'd try again at slower speeds and see what results you get then.

By the way, I really like your cherry blossom shots.
Thanks for your kind comment about the cherry blossom pics,

But shouldn't the shutter only open when the aperture has finished adjusting.?
k5iis , 77mm ltd, 135mm f3.5 M, A35mm-105mm f3.5 zoom,17-50 sigma, k135mm f2.5, 43mm Ltd, DA*200mm.
Smeggypants
Posted 19/05/2014 - 02:37 Link
kiwao wrote:
Smeggypants wrote:
JohnX wrote:
I personally think that given you were shooting at 2000th that what you see is as good as it gets. It's a huge ask for a lens to stop down that quickly and settle into a perfect circle; just think of the inertia!

I'd try again at slower speeds and see what results you get then.

By the way, I really like your cherry blossom shots.
Given the shutter doesn't operate until the lens has stopped down the shutter speed is ( or should be ) irrelevant. i.e the shutter speed is how long the shutter is open for NOT how long it takes to open after the button is pressed.
If the aperture is set at f2.8, wide open, and the camera focuses using that aperture then the blades would not operate and therefore should be wide open when the shutter operates. I am not sure at what aperture the camera focuses at but I think the aperture closes to f5.6 focuses then adjusts to the set aperture which in this case was f2.8 and if this is the case could it be that the shutter operating before the blades have finished?opening.
No the camera focusses at the widest aperture of the lens ( except old non A-button lenses ) . When you press the shutter button the lens stops down and the mirror flips up. Only then the shutter opens to take the picture.


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kiwao wrote:
[quote:3496ace15f="JohnX"]I personally think that given you were shooting at 2000th that what you see is as good as it gets. It's a huge ask for a lens to stop down that quickly and settle into a perfect circle; just think of the inertia!

I'd try again at slower speeds and see what results you get then.

By the way, I really like your cherry blossom shots.
Thanks for your kind comment about the cherry blossom pics,

But shouldn't the shutter only open when the aperture has finished adjusting.?
yes that's what happens
[i]Bodies: 1x K-5IIs, 2x K-5, Sony TX-5, Nokia 808
Lenses: Pentax DA 10-17mm ED(IF) Fish Eye, Pentax DA 14mm f/2.8, Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8, Pentax-A 28mm f/2.8, Sigma 30mm F1.4 EX DC, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.2, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-FA 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.7, Pentax DA* 50-135mm f/2.8, Sigma 135-400mm APO DG, and more ..
Flash: AF-540FGZ, Vivitar 283
kiwao
Posted 19/05/2014 - 03:38 Link
Smeggypants wrote:
kiwao wrote:
Smeggypants wrote:
[quote:3496ace15f="JohnX"]I personally think that given you were shooting at 2000th that what you see is as good as it gets. It's a huge ask for a lens to stop down that quickly and settle into a perfect circle; just think of the inertia!

I'd try again at slower speeds and see what results you get then.

By the way, I really like your cherry blossom shots.
Given the shutter doesn't operate until the lens has stopped down the shutter speed is ( or should be ) irrelevant. i.e the shutter speed is how long the shutter is open for NOT how long it takes to open after the button is pressed.
If the aperture is set at f2.8, wide open, and the camera focuses using that aperture then the blades would not operate and therefore should be wide open when the shutter operates. I am not sure at what aperture the camera focuses at but I think the aperture closes to f5.6 focuses then adjusts to the set aperture which in this case was f2.8 and if this is the case could it be that the shutter operating before the blades have finished?opening.
No the camera focusses at the widest aperture of the lens ( except old non A-button lenses ) . When you press the shutter button the lens stops down and the mirror flips up. Only then the shutter opens to take the picture.


Quote:

kiwao wrote:
JohnX wrote:
I personally think that given you were shooting at 2000th that what you see is as good as it gets. It's a huge ask for a lens to stop down that quickly and settle into a perfect circle; just think of the inertia!

I'd try again at slower speeds and see what results you get then.

By the way, I really like your cherry blossom shots.
Thanks for your kind comment about the cherry blossom pics,

But shouldn't the shutter only open when the aperture has finished adjusting.?
yes that's what happens
The thing is am I expecting too much to see circular highlights considering the subject but if they should be circular in shape then what is causing this irregularity to happen?
k5iis , 77mm ltd, 135mm f3.5 M, A35mm-105mm f3.5 zoom,17-50 sigma, k135mm f2.5, 43mm Ltd, DA*200mm.
kiwao
Posted 19/05/2014 - 13:12 Link
I doubt if it is a problem with the lens or body. It is probably the way the light is being refracted by the subject, water droplets sand etc that is causing this effect.
k5iis , 77mm ltd, 135mm f3.5 M, A35mm-105mm f3.5 zoom,17-50 sigma, k135mm f2.5, 43mm Ltd, DA*200mm.
gartmore
Posted 19/05/2014 - 14:02 Link
TBH, I think your concerns are the result of pixel peeping. At normal viewing distances I cant see a problem
Ken
“We must avoid however, snapping away, shooting quickly and without thought, overloading ourselves with unnecessary images that clutter our memory and diminish the clarity of the whole.” - Henri Cartier-Bresson -
Smeggypants
Posted 19/05/2014 - 14:17 Link
just to be clear I didn't write the following which is ascribed to me above


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If the aperture is set at f2.8, wide open, and the camera focuses using that aperture then the blades would not operate and therefore should be wide open when the shutter operates. I am not sure at what aperture the camera focuses at but I think the aperture closes to f5.6 focuses then adjusts to the set aperture which in this case was f2.8 and if this is the case could it be that the shutter operating before the blades have finished?opening.
[i]Bodies: 1x K-5IIs, 2x K-5, Sony TX-5, Nokia 808
Lenses: Pentax DA 10-17mm ED(IF) Fish Eye, Pentax DA 14mm f/2.8, Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8, Pentax-A 28mm f/2.8, Sigma 30mm F1.4 EX DC, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.2, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-FA 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.7, Pentax DA* 50-135mm f/2.8, Sigma 135-400mm APO DG, and more ..
Flash: AF-540FGZ, Vivitar 283
gartmore
Posted 19/05/2014 - 14:28 Link
I dont think any of us would
Ken
“We must avoid however, snapping away, shooting quickly and without thought, overloading ourselves with unnecessary images that clutter our memory and diminish the clarity of the whole.” - Henri Cartier-Bresson -

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