Advice re Camera Choice

emil
Posted 05/01/2014 - 13:13 Link
Hello again, as I mentioned on my Just Joined post I am looking for advice about my first digital slr. To set the scene I have been using Pentax film slrs for many years now with Fuji Velvia and other slide films.

My present setup is quite simple, a MZ5N and a Sigma 28-135 lens. I also a Canon G10 as my first foray into digital. This has been mainly used in copying my slides so that I can print them.

I will be 80 next month and am looking for the next step into the digital world.

So I was looking at something like a K50 + lens, but a local shop has a K5 + a Pentax 18-135 lens for £560.

So advice please, is this a reasonable buy and what should I look out for, sensor clean? Actuations? Anything else.

G10 or walk about and copying and Pentax slr for flowers etc.

Looking forward to your help.

Ross.

emil wrote:
Hello again, as I mentioned on my Just Joined post I am looking for advice about my first digital slr. To set the scene I have been using Pentax film slrs for many years now with Fuji Velvia and other slide films.

My present setup is quite simple, a MZ5N and a Sigma 28-135 lens. I also a Canon G10 as my first foray into digital. This has been mainly used in copying my slides so that I can print them.

I will be 80 next month and am looking for the next step into the digital world.

So I was looking at something like a K50 + lens, but a local shop has a K5 + a Pentax 18-135 lens for £560.

So advice please, is this a reasonable buy and what should I look out for, sensor clean? Actuations? Anything else.

G10 or walk about and copying and Pentax slr for flowers etc.

Looking forward to your help.

Ross.
johnriley
Posted 05/01/2014 - 13:37 - Helpful Comment Link
This always the dilemma with digital cameras. the outgoing model at a knock down price or the new one at a higher price?

The K-5 (which Sue and I still use) is still a fine camera, and more sturdy probably than the K-50. However, the K-50 may have snappier AF being a newer generation.

The answer to your question is a "how long is a piece of string" situation. Whichever one you buy will be fine. The only caveat is that the used one needs to be carefully checked over whereas the new one will have a full guarantee. Buy from a pro dealer and get 2 years cover.

As you are a new user I'm tempted to say buy a new camera and then you'll be quite sure what you are starting with will be OK and won't have unknown issues that will hinder your learning curve.
Best regards, John
jeallen01
Posted 05/01/2014 - 13:49 - Helpful Comment Link
Sounds like the K-5 + 135 could be a good deal if everything else is OK (areas that you mentioned AND what is the warrantee?), but I will warn you that the K-5 is a lot heavier than the MZ-5N (Had one for a long time)!

The K-50 (& thus the almost identical older K-30) is thus what I would suggest as it is a bit lighter than the K-5 (but not as light as the MZ-5N or even the K-R).

You can pick up a K-30 body new for around £350, or for less than £300 s/h, and an 18-135 lens is about the same in each case.

For example, Cardiff Camera Centre (from where I bought my mine - It's a Pentax Professional dealer) currently has a 18-135 for about £320

Finally, if you want to do a lot of close-up work on flowers, the 18-135 probably won't focus as closely as you need, so get a decent +1 Close-up lens to sort that problem out (I did, but not for flowers!)
K-3 II, K-3 and a K-70 from SRS (having now relegated the K-30 /"K-50" to a backup body), & some Sigma and Pentax lenses (and a lot of old 35mm gear!)
Edited by jeallen01: 05/01/2014 - 13:50
emil
Posted 05/01/2014 - 13:56 Link
Thanks John and jeallen, lots to think about. My flower shots are not ultra close, but full flower portraits, make a change from all the girls I shot for the old Pentax Magazine! When I have managed to work out resizing I will try and post an example or two. I would prefer a prime lens if possible but I do have budget of about £600 plus any help I get on my 80th.
emil
Posted 05/01/2014 - 14:01 Link
Hi, me again, just a thought, if I bought a K50 new body plus 50 1.8 from SRS, would I be able to use my Sigma 28-135 lens for close up work?
jeallen01
Posted 05/01/2014 - 14:16 Link
emil wrote:
Hi, me again, just a thought, if I bought a K50 new body plus 50 1.8 from SRS, would I be able to use my Sigma 28-135 lens for close up work?
(Edited) That should certainly work, especially as the Sigma does have an "A" setting on the aperture ring - OTOH some older lenses don't work too well on digital bodies

PS - do still consider a K-30 as you could save quite bit of money over the K-50, for a virtually identical camera.
K-3 II, K-3 and a K-70 from SRS (having now relegated the K-30 /"K-50" to a backup body), & some Sigma and Pentax lenses (and a lot of old 35mm gear!)
Edited by jeallen01: 05/01/2014 - 14:25
johnriley
Posted 05/01/2014 - 14:16 - Helpful Comment Link
Full flower portraits can be achieved with the SMC Pentax-DA 55-300mm lens, which I find ideal for the purpose. At 300mm we can stand back and the background blurs beautifully. We can also isolate single flowers at the back of larger herbaceous borders. Any longer lens will also be fine, provided the close focusing is reasonable.

The Sigma 28-135mm should work fine, but better if it has an "A" on the aperture ring. Then the full range of exposure modes will be available and the lens will stop down without having to do it manually.

Don't forget the crop factor. The 50mm lens will be a short telephoto (35mm equiv 75mm) so the standard lens for the DSLR will be the 35mm. Both these lenses are inexpensive and excellent.
Best regards, John
emil
Posted 05/01/2014 - 14:27 Link
Thanks again, yes the Sigma does have an A position. It's full description is 28-135F3.8=5.6 macro aspherical if. It has given very good results on Velvia

So a K30 or K50 plus standard lens for now plus my sigma, and later a 55-300 if funds allow.

Many thanks for both your posts. they have gone long way making my mind up.

John,I must admit to have been reading your posts for some time.
Again thanks.
Ross.
Posted 05/01/2014 - 16:55 Link
K30 or K50 would be very nice, the 55-300 could very well pick up on here for a very nice price, they have been going very cheaply of late for what you get.


johnriley wrote:
Buy from a pro dealer and get 2 years cover.
Is this not just SRS now? I cannot find anything that confirms 2 year warranties from Pro dealers.
Pint o' rough & a game o' darts anyone
jeallen01
Posted 05/01/2014 - 17:36 Link
InFESTation wrote:
K30 or K50 would be very nice, the 55-300 could very well pick up on here for a very nice price, they have been going very cheaply of late for what you get.
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Ross wants to take close-ups, which may require manual focus adjustment, so he needs the "DA" version with "quickshift", and not the "DA-L" version which does not have it, of the 55-300.

John A
K-3 II, K-3 and a K-70 from SRS (having now relegated the K-30 /"K-50" to a backup body), & some Sigma and Pentax lenses (and a lot of old 35mm gear!)
Edited by jeallen01: 05/01/2014 - 18:09
richandfleur
Posted 05/01/2014 - 20:36 Link
johnriley wrote:

Don't forget the crop factor. The 50mm lens will be a short telephoto (35mm equiv 75mm) so the standard lens for the DSLR will be the 35mm. Both these lenses are inexpensive and excellent.
Agree with this. As John says the field of view of your lenses will be different coming from film.

I have the K-30 and find it really good. It's a newer software than the K5, so you pick up things like focus peaking on the rear screen, which helps with focusing when you're using a tripod mostly. There are real differences between the K5 and the K30/K50 but I don't personally think there is enough to justify the present price difference between the K30 and the K50.
Edited by richandfleur: 05/01/2014 - 20:37
droopsnoot
Posted 06/01/2014 - 13:05 Link
As a Kx user currently considering a used K5, would it be fair to say then that a K30 might be a better bet, or am I still going to get a better camera with a K5? In terms of resolution of course they're the same as each other, but I hear a lot about how great the K5 is but not so much about the K30, and I saw another post recently where someone described the 'desirability order' as K3 / K5 / K30 which implied that an old K5 is still better than a new K30.

Apologies for hijacking the thread. My usage is general with some motorsport / air show stuff, though I'm always looking for other things to shoot.
Real name: Mike Edwards. My homage to seventies Vauxhalls: www.firenza.net

Camera - Pentax Kx, 18-55 kit lens, 18-200 Sigma, 50-500 Sigma, 500mm Tamron mirror
johnriley
Posted 06/01/2014 - 13:34 Link
The K-5 has structural advantages, having a magnesium alloy shell, plus 100% pentaprism finder (not sure if the K30 is pentamirror or pentaprism.) In any event, the K-5 is the tougher beast of the two.
Best regards, John
wvbarnes
Posted 06/01/2014 - 13:45 Link
The K5 has (compared to any of the budget models) a much larger battery,connections for a battery grip,socket for external microphone,HDMI out,five custom settings,much better build,quieter in operation,very useful and battery saving top LCD info panel,stop down preview on shutter button useful for older lenses, more options on speed versus accuracy settings, the list goes on. You get what you pay for with the top models (K5, K5II,K3 now) BUT of course you have to decide if you want all that.

Having had a KX, KR and used a friends K30 I wouldn't go back but the gap has closed especially it seems with the newer K50 which is sealed, metal bodied and full pentaprism I think. John's comment on newer AF relevant if you are into action photography. Personally my K5 remains excellent throughout and i will not part with it for the current model round unless prices drop a lot.
Russ
Posted 06/01/2014 - 14:59 Link
I switched from the K30 to the K5 last year. Convinced myself i needed all the extras Bill outlined above. So far only the larger battery in the K5 has proved truly useful. I could of, and probably should of, stayed with the K30.
The K30 (and K50) have some advantages over the K5:
Focus Peaking in Liveview - oh i miss that
Lighter body - also miss that sometimes
Better grip - its a personal thing but i thought the K30 grip was better
Info button - main reason for the K5 was the external controls but i still use the Info button.

Wouldn't part with my K5 now though. It does everything i need from a camera. Its just the K30 also did everything i need.

I have a couple of old Sigma zooms, the 18-125 and 28-300. Both work well with the K5. I had the Sigma 28-135 previously and that too worked well with the digital bodies.
Edited by Russ: 06/01/2014 - 15:01

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