A question for fellow RAW shooters

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judderman62

Link Posted 07/07/2012 - 20:35
As my drive fills up (over 600 GB) the question I have asked myself repeatedly over time re emerges.

Do I really need to keep all my RAW as well as my converted jpeg files ?

Up till now I have kept them all but with the amount I shoot and the size of RAW files I question if there's a need.

Is the argument not that once I've done my editing I have the pics as I want them and am unlikely to want to go back and re edit so why keep them ?


What do you guys do ? Is there an aspect I've not considered ? Might some competition or anyone else that might show an interest in my photography want an original RAW file ?

Thoughts, feelings, feedback etc would be most appreciated

thanks
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Mike

Pentax K5 / Pentax K5 11/ Pentax K200D / Canon Rebel T1 i / Canon 650D / Pentax MX-1 / Fuji XF1 /Fuji X 10 / Canon EOS-M / Canon G10/ Pentax Mz-7 x 2

Gwyn

Link Posted 07/07/2012 - 20:40
I always keep my RAW files. I sometimes go back and rework them as my skills improve, or just because I want to play and see what turns up.

judderman62

Link Posted 07/07/2012 - 20:42
yes that is an aspect that occurred literrally as I typed the post .... but I have no skill and unlikely to suddenly find any :p


where do you store them ?
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Mike

Pentax K5 / Pentax K5 11/ Pentax K200D / Canon Rebel T1 i / Canon 650D / Pentax MX-1 / Fuji XF1 /Fuji X 10 / Canon EOS-M / Canon G10/ Pentax Mz-7 x 2

davidstorm

Link Posted 07/07/2012 - 20:42
I do delete a few on first review (blurred, shake, composition poor), but everything else is kept in RAW format and stored on my hard drives. I have two 2 Terabyte drives and plenty of room left at present, so no worries yet.

Regards
David
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Last Edited by davidstorm on 07/07/2012 - 20:46

jeffstclair

Link Posted 07/07/2012 - 21:06
I find it very liberating to get rid of all the old stuff and move on to the new. So I delete stuff as much as possible ,like winnowing out the dross, it's like having a car boot sale of stuff that I will never use again ,My ideal is to have 100 to 200 photos that I really like , that don't need explaining ... ...(that means I have to delete lots more) and the parameters keep changing,, stuff that I was proud of last year is now in the dross pile that's life. just keep on taking more .....jeff

judderman62

Link Posted 07/07/2012 - 21:13
ooooh no I would not do that - I imagine I have in excess of 12,000 - 15,000 images.

i do whittle out the dross when editing, some times more ruthless than others but that's really a side issue - I'm asking here purely on the to keep raw versions or not
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Mike

Pentax K5 / Pentax K5 11/ Pentax K200D / Canon Rebel T1 i / Canon 650D / Pentax MX-1 / Fuji XF1 /Fuji X 10 / Canon EOS-M / Canon G10/ Pentax Mz-7 x 2

Smeggypants

Link Posted 07/07/2012 - 21:20
jeffstclair wrote:
I find it very liberating to get rid of all the old stuff and move on to the new. So I delete stuff as much as possible ,like winnowing out the dross, it's like having a car boot sale of stuff that I will never use again ,My ideal is to have 100 to 200 photos that I really like , that don't need explaining ... ...(that means I have to delete lots more) and the parameters keep changing,, stuff that I was proud of last year is now in the dross pile that's life. just keep on taking more .....jeff

I meet so many people who are gutted they deleted pictures they took years ago, because they can never go back in a time machine and take them again.

Most stuff you sell in a car boot sale you can search out and buy again if you really miss it. You can't do that with a deleted photo.

Your loss.


Interestingly while I've been scanning my old 1980s negatives I've noticed that many of the throwaway shutter snaps at the beginning and end of the roll actually have much of nostalgic interest.

I delete stuiff that has no recognisable stuff on it like vastly OOF, under/over exposed, etc, btu I keep everything else. I have 4TB of RAWs archived now on HDDs. The small JPG exported versions of them are archived too both on and off computer.


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stuff that I was proud of last year is now in the dross pile that's life. just keep on taking more .....jeff

And next year you might be proud of them again. Oh wait ....

Smeggypants

Link Posted 07/07/2012 - 21:21
judderman62 wrote:
ooooh no I would not do that - I imagine I have in excess of 12,000 - 15,000 images.

i do whittle out the dross when editing, some times more ruthless than others but that's really a side issue - I'm asking here purely on the to keep raw versions or not

Just think of your RAWs as negatives. Would you ever throw away negatives?
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judderman62

Link Posted 07/07/2012 - 21:31
thanks for replies so far guys
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Mike

Pentax K5 / Pentax K5 11/ Pentax K200D / Canon Rebel T1 i / Canon 650D / Pentax MX-1 / Fuji XF1 /Fuji X 10 / Canon EOS-M / Canon G10/ Pentax Mz-7 x 2

mera

Link Posted 08/07/2012 - 00:27
I used to have questions like these, for example: what format to keep pictures in, JPEG, 9-bit TIFF, 16-bit TIFF? Then I got Lightroom and these issues went away - you onlykeep the RAW file and thus you always have maximum quality available. I only produce JPEGs when the file picture has to be sent to someone else, etc.

However in addition, I make a copy of the camera's RAW file to a hard disk on import into the computer, which is stored in a fire safe. These also get archived to Bluray at some point (to prevent accidental deletion). The Lightroom stuff also gets archived. Storage is cheap. I have had accidents where I lost the files on the computer and was fortunate to have these backups to recover from.

beachboy2

Link Posted 08/07/2012 - 06:09
Ditto to mera. I use Lightroom and this question does not arise. Best to be brutal and delete non-keepers asap.
cheers
bb2

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paulgee20

Link Posted 08/07/2012 - 06:14
With 2tb hardrives as low as 50-80 its not really a problem. Keep everything, except the obvious oof's etc

Paul
K5's (2)both gripped, K10d gripped, Pentax 28-90 f3.5, Sigma 18-250mm, Sigma 150-500mm. Sigma 105mm f/2.8 EX DG Macro, Sigma 10-20 f.4-5.6.EX DC, Hoya 135 f2.8, Take on 28mm f2.8 Pentax AF360 flash, 2 fill in slaves. 30 metre remote release, Rt angle viewfinder, Giotto NOT 3261B Tripod with Manfrotto 808Rd4 ball head, Manfroto 4861RC2 monopoly, shoulder stock, various filters etc, Panasonic SET HBS HD Video cam, Tamrac Explorer 8x backpack and a sore back.....
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Last Edited by paulgee20 on 08/07/2012 - 06:17

Smeggypants

Link Posted 08/07/2012 - 07:51
Yup drives have come back down in price now, since the high prices caused by the flood shortage.
[i]Bodies: 1x K-5IIs, 2x K-5, Sony TX-5, Nokia 808
Lenses: Pentax DA 10-17mm ED(IF) Fish Eye, Pentax DA 14mm f/2.8, Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8, Pentax-A 28mm f/2.8, Sigma 30mm F1.4 EX DC, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.2, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-FA 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.7, Pentax DA* 50-135mm f/2.8, Sigma 135-400mm APO DG, and more ..
Flash: AF-540FGZ, Vivitar 283

Jonathan-Mac

Link Posted 08/07/2012 - 08:41
I delete stuff before and during processing if I find it's technically poor (out of focus, irrepairably over or under-exposed etc) and I'll also pick the best of a series of similar shots. What I keep, I keep the RAW and at least one processed jpg.

I have considered deleting the RAW files for the more mediocre shots because if I ever do come back with greater PP skill, it will be the better shots that I return to. However, with great PP, you never know what you might be able to do with a photo.

Still27

Link Posted 08/07/2012 - 16:29
I find that as I learn a bit more about editing (and get more controls with software) I do sometimes wish I had kept all my RAW files, so I do now keep all my Keepers "in the raw".
Bill
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