Weekly competition 34: Street furniture
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Posted 03/03/2008 - 08:36
In fact he added a link to it in his submission - although I only looked at it after I had judged.
Mike
Mike
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Posted 03/03/2008 - 08:39
Congratulations from me to Spirit of Will too - and to Lilly for the coveted 2nd place. So come on then Lilly, I'm not the only one who wants to know how you did it!
Mike - thanks for your comments - I was very pleased with the way that the shot turned out despite knowing that it didn't comply with your (strict) criteria. I did explain this in the chat thread as we were asked to keep text to a minimum within the competition.
Have a good week all,
Steve
Mike - thanks for your comments - I was very pleased with the way that the shot turned out despite knowing that it didn't comply with your (strict) criteria. I did explain this in the chat thread as we were asked to keep text to a minimum within the competition.
Have a good week all,
Steve
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Posted 03/03/2008 - 08:42
promhandicam wrote:
...............So come on then Lilly, I'm not the only one who wants to know how you did it!
Steve
...............So come on then Lilly, I'm not the only one who wants to know how you did it!
Steve
I think, but I am not sure, that it has everything to do with splitting the photograph down into layers, so you end up with a b & w layer and a coloured layer but I am sure that Lilly will explain more.
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Posted 03/03/2008 - 09:09
Excellent judging Mike (yes, the pole in my shot really does lean that alarmingly in real life!) and congratulations to spirit_of_will - a well deserved winner. 
Joining the Q
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Posted 03/03/2008 - 09:35
First of all thanks Mike for placing me SECOND and not making us wait too loong and congrats to SoW.
Secondly, re: your comment "My only reservation lies in the stone – has it suffered with sharpening?"
No, definitely not from sharpening, the texture you are seeing is that of good old Cornish granite which has the speckled look.
I have tried revealing colour on mono in many ways, history brush, hand tinting etc; some more complicated than others, however a few days ago my friend who also has a K10D (but is very shy to come on this forum yet!) posted me this very easy method, so here to share with you all is the link, have fun!
cheers Lilly
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Secondly, re: your comment "My only reservation lies in the stone – has it suffered with sharpening?"
No, definitely not from sharpening, the texture you are seeing is that of good old Cornish granite which has the speckled look.
I have tried revealing colour on mono in many ways, history brush, hand tinting etc; some more complicated than others, however a few days ago my friend who also has a K10D (but is very shy to come on this forum yet!) posted me this very easy method, so here to share with you all is the link, have fun!
cheers Lilly
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Posted 03/03/2008 - 09:40
Thanks Mike for a job well done and i will give your recommendations a go. 
Congats to spirit_of _will, a worthy winner
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Congats to spirit_of _will, a worthy winner
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Link
Posted 03/03/2008 - 09:44
Thank you, Mike.
I do agree with you about natrual colours. Of course, there are times, especially with more abstract images, where high saturation is essential to the picture. But it is often overdone.
G
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I do agree with you about natrual colours. Of course, there are times, especially with more abstract images, where high saturation is essential to the picture. But it is often overdone.
G
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Posted 03/03/2008 - 09:55
Lilly - thanks for both explaining about teh possible sharpening and also that popping colour tip.
Given teh texture of teh granite would you ever reduce sharpening from whatever you would 'normally' use? When feeling confident about an image (I nearly said lazy) I tend to use SilkyPix and work from its presets. It has a default sharpening that it applies - would you expect to reduce this for an image like yours?
Mike
Given teh texture of teh granite would you ever reduce sharpening from whatever you would 'normally' use? When feeling confident about an image (I nearly said lazy) I tend to use SilkyPix and work from its presets. It has a default sharpening that it applies - would you expect to reduce this for an image like yours?
Mike
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Posted 03/03/2008 - 10:08
mikew wrote:
Daniel Bridge It is indeed street furniture as they only put markers like these on roads to lure Chelsea tractors to a watery end.
Daniel Bridge It is indeed street furniture as they only put markers like these on roads to lure Chelsea tractors to a watery end.
Funny you should say that, there was a dripping Jeep parked up, having been towed out by the Fire Brigade. All the time I was there, I could hear the sploshing of water being scraped out of the seats (presumably the driver had opened the door to get out once she discovered she was stuck - note to anyone who has the misfortune to be in the same position: Climb out the window instead!).
Well judged Mike, and congratualtions Spirit of Will, a fantastic picture.
Dan
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Posted 03/03/2008 - 11:27
3rd place! I'm getting consistent! 
Thanks for the comments Mike, but cropping out the first section of post is impossible without cutting into the next one.
Not sure what you mean about cloning out the mark.
Please call me aj,
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Thanks for the comments Mike, but cropping out the first section of post is impossible without cutting into the next one.
Not sure what you mean about cloning out the mark.
Please call me aj,
I use a Pentax K10D, on a MacBook with LightRoom (vers 1.3 + beta 2)
http://www.ba-joseph.co.uk/gallery
Link
Posted 03/03/2008 - 11:34
justgetoutandride wrote:
Not sure what you mean about cloning out the mark.
Not sure what you mean about cloning out the mark.
On the second complete upright, near the top by the handrail, is a small crescent shaped mark. Looks a bit fuzzy so it may be a small dust fibre on the sensor, the small aperture used would point to this too. However it might just be a mark on the post. The spot on the first post could also be one.
Didn't notice it though until it was pointed out.
Dan
K-3, a macro lens and a DA*300mm...
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Posted 03/03/2008 - 11:43
mikew wrote:
Lilly - thanks for both explaining about teh possible sharpening and also that popping colour tip.
Given teh texture of teh granite would you ever reduce sharpening from whatever you would 'normally' use? When feeling confident about an image (I nearly said lazy) I tend to use SilkyPix and work from its presets. It has a default sharpening that it applies - would you expect to reduce this for an image like yours?
Mike
Lilly - thanks for both explaining about teh possible sharpening and also that popping colour tip.
Given teh texture of teh granite would you ever reduce sharpening from whatever you would 'normally' use? When feeling confident about an image (I nearly said lazy) I tend to use SilkyPix and work from its presets. It has a default sharpening that it applies - would you expect to reduce this for an image like yours?
Mike
I never use presets for sharpening
, I always go and view at 100%, then decide what level of sharpening it needs, amount % and Radius can vary depending on subject matter, so yes I wd tend to hold back. I use CS3 BTW.Also, sometimes after reducing size of pic for web it may need to be sharpened again slightly.
You just need to experiment.
Matt has some info on this subject on his web site.
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Posted 03/03/2008 - 12:32
Silkypix does sharpening differently from other software, so you can't directly apply advice for another program to it.
Silkypix's default "Natural Sharp" setting is quite moderate and not enough to badly spoil any RAW picture, in my opinion. I think it's a good starting point - then experiment from there.
You can tune to your liking with the Outline emphasis, Detail emphasis, and False outline controls. False outline control makes the outline emphasis more subtle (though there can be slight side effects on colours).
Noise reduction, Noise level and Noise cancel also affect sharpness. You can zero these when noise is low - with little disadvantage. False colour control has little side effect at all, so you can usually leave it at 30.
Then there is the separate and subtle Demosiac sharp. And finally the Unsharp Mask (USM) when developing (and resizing) - which Silkypix applies ontop of any sharpening done already. For resized images to view on the screen, keep the USM settings very low unless sure you need more.
~Pete
Silkypix's default "Natural Sharp" setting is quite moderate and not enough to badly spoil any RAW picture, in my opinion. I think it's a good starting point - then experiment from there.
You can tune to your liking with the Outline emphasis, Detail emphasis, and False outline controls. False outline control makes the outline emphasis more subtle (though there can be slight side effects on colours).
Noise reduction, Noise level and Noise cancel also affect sharpness. You can zero these when noise is low - with little disadvantage. False colour control has little side effect at all, so you can usually leave it at 30.
Then there is the separate and subtle Demosiac sharp. And finally the Unsharp Mask (USM) when developing (and resizing) - which Silkypix applies ontop of any sharpening done already. For resized images to view on the screen, keep the USM settings very low unless sure you need more.
~Pete
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p.s. I would also like to see a larger version of Spirit of Will's entry.
Hyram
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