'Upgrade to K-1' quandary...


Defragged

Link Posted 16/10/2019 - 22:48
My first DSLR was a Samsung GX-10. (Pentax K 10D equivalent) Coming from a Pentax LX I wanted to remain with the Pentax brand that I'd always been with. The shop at the time only had the Samsung version in stock and it was at a knock down price so I went with it. I loved it from day one. In due course I sold it to a friend and upgraded to the K5. It was a sale I regretted as I loathed the K5 so when when SRS announced impending stock of the new K3 I pre-ordered it without hesitation and loved it from day one. That camera went everywhere with me, up hill and down dale like a perfect companion.
Then the K1 was introduced and whilst I had no plans to upgrade, even though I found the full frame format appealing, the opportunity to buy a brand new K1 came my way at a price I couldn't refuse - so I bought it. (As you do) Following its delivery I un-boxed it with eager anticipation, examined it and decided I did not like it. I placed it back in its box without even mounting a lens on it and it was then a full seven months later before I looked at it again and deigned even to charge its battery.
At first use it felt like I was committing adultery against my beautiful K3. Such feelings probably sound and in fact are totally irrational. But it is a fact that some of us humans can and do become attached to inanimate objects. The point I'm trying to make in this rather long winded ramble is that we can so easily get comfortable with the status quo that we become reluctant to move on, even when it's ultimately for the best. The fact is, since I first tripped the shutter I've never used my K3 since as I'm now totally sold on the K1.
My best advice to you therefore is don't procrastinate like I did, take the plunge because the likely hood is, you won't look back either.

Good luck.

PS There is some fantastic legacy glass out there as well, often dirt cheap with oodles of character and wonderful to experiment with. Alas if there's a downside it's that it's so easy to catch LBA! lol....
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Benz3ne

Link Posted 17/10/2019 - 08:23
erikro wrote:
Go for the K-1, you will not be disapointed.
I have both K-5II and K-50, but only use them as backup, the K-1 us superb.

Thanks for this, erikro! Seems like you're absolutely set on the K-1!

Benz3ne

Link Posted 17/10/2019 - 08:29
Defragged wrote:
My first DSLR was a Samsung GX-10. (Pentax K 10D equivalent) Coming from a Pentax LX I wanted to remain with the Pentax brand that I'd always been with. The shop at the time only had the Samsung version in stock and it was at a knock down price so I went with it. I loved it from day one. In due course I sold it to a friend and upgraded to the K5. It was a sale I regretted as I loathed the K5 so when when SRS announced impending stock of the new K3 I pre-ordered it without hesitation and loved it from day one. That camera went everywhere with me, up hill and down dale like a perfect companion.
Then the K1 was introduced and whilst I had no plans to upgrade, even though I found the full frame format appealing, the opportunity to buy a brand new K1 came my way at a price I couldn't refuse - so I bought it. (As you do) Following its delivery I un-boxed it with eager anticipation, examined it and decided I did not like it. I placed it back in its box without even mounting a lens on it and it was then a full seven months later before I looked at it again and deigned even to charge its battery.
At first use it felt like I was committing adultery against my beautiful K3. Such feelings probably sound and in fact are totally irrational. But it is a fact that some of us humans can and do become attached to inanimate objects. The point I'm trying to make in this rather long winded ramble is that we can so easily get comfortable with the status quo that we become reluctant to move on, even when it's ultimately for the best. The fact is, since I first tripped the shutter I've never used my K3 since as I'm now totally sold on the K1.
My best advice to you therefore is don't procrastinate like I did, take the plunge because the likely hood is, you won't look back either.

Good luck.

PS There is some fantastic legacy glass out there as well, often dirt cheap with oodles of character and wonderful to experiment with. Alas if there's a downside it's that it's so easy to catch LBA! lol....

A wonderfully involved anecdote here, Defragged. Thank you! I shall aim to not procrastinate, and to get the K-S2 up for sale soon... thereafter, the K-70 will go up for sale and after that's been purchased I think I'll go ahead with the K-1! I'm sure if my experiences are as positive with a K-1 as they have been so far with the Pentax brand, I'll be smitten with it.

Yes, it's easy to forget that they are objects at the end of the day - you can 'love' them and their quirks but ultimately there's nothing particularly unique about your copy of a particular camera body... the lenses are slightly different, sure, but the bodies are always replaceable!

Ah yes, I'm getting familiar with legacy glass (I listed my current stockpile a little earlier in this thread) and there's a couple more which I'd love to try out... fortunately I've hit a lull and want to become acquainted with my swathe of lenses, so at least I can save money for the camera body in the meantime!

davidwozhere

Link Posted 18/10/2019 - 01:39
I (generally) use the K5 for hand held macro because it's light and handy, the K3ii to carry around because it's such an all-rounder and if I want to go photo mad (which happens often) I put some old glass on the K1 and the K1 on a tripod because it weighs a bit more. The K1 is a superb beast that can make the best of first class old glass. The crop frame cameras can't make full use of their often amazing resolution but the K1 can. I fully intended to sell at least one of the others to fund it but it never happened! ........... and I have never had to buy any of those staggeringly expensive Self Destruct Motorised lenses either.
Both the *istDS and the K5 are incurably addicted to old glass

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Jonathan-Mac

Link Posted 18/10/2019 - 12:42
Size, weight and cost are really the main reasons not to go to a K-1, and in "cost" I include selling off APS-C lenses and spending money on FF lenses.

For me it's primarily cost but also weight for travelling and my attachment to the DA Limited lenses.
Pentax hybrid user - Digital K3 & K200D, film 645 and 35mm SLR and Pentax (&other) lenses adapted to Fuji X digital
Fan of DA limited and old manual lenses

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Chrism8

Link Posted 18/10/2019 - 13:36
For me the performance outweighs the differences in the KG's, I only had 2 non FF lenses when I purchased my K1 so it was a fairly easy decision to go for it, I don't think I will need to change it for a good number of years, I've had it prob around 3 years already and theres not enough difference in spec for me to upgrade to a K1ii.

I have a 645 / K1 which covers everything I tend to shoot and the Mrs uses the K3ii
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Sigma 100-300 F4, Samyang 14mm F2.8, Sigma 70-200 F2.8,

K5iis - Sigma 17 - 70 F2.8, Sigma 70 - 300 F3.5/F5.6, Sigma 18 - 200 F3.6 / F4.5.

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stub

Link Posted 20/10/2019 - 08:49
For me, when I purchased my K-1 about 3 years ago. It wasn't about cost or weight. Though these are very imortant factors. But one of "Excuses" I owned a K-7 and a K-5II. And was reasonably happy. But I kept seeing over the internet on sites such as this one and flickr, far better images being produced than mine. Frankly, I was jealous..! And like you do, in these situatuions. Put the blame firmly at the door of the equipment....lol.
So there was only One thing to do. Buy a K-1, and then any reason for not getting the best images was "Me." So I contacted SRS and at the time. The K-1 came with a free battery grip. Never had one before on any of my camera's. Beauty of My Pentax camera's. They all take the same battery. Didn't think I really needed a grip. But Hey !! it's free. So dont look a gift horse. 3 years later. I would kill so to speak. If someone took the battery grip away...lol. Two reasons. You can shoot all day and the power dosn't run out. The shutter button is still in the right place when you hold the camera in portrait position. It's true. The camera, grip and lens combination. Is a heavy one. When in a bag with a tripod You really know about it. But the camera just fits the hand so well. You soon forget about it.

I didn't really have any full frame glass at the time. Just a FA 50 f1.4. And one thing I still cant bring myself to do. Is use the K-1 in crop mode...! Luckily the 55-300 more or less fills the frame. And with the K-1 images you can almost crop a pin head and its still sharp. Went on ebay bought a couple of very cheap film lenses. And honestly.. Quality was rubbish...! So again I used my no excuses theory. Contacted SRS and bought a DFA 24-70.. On a special offer deal. OMG...What a lens this is.. Fast, sharp, Landscapes, walk about Portraits it does them all really well. Almost a one stop shop. But i like a slightly wider view for my landscapes so Purchased the DFA 15-30 Again super image quality. But very expensive, very heavy and a problem fitting filters to. Without going to more expense. To do it properly... Sorry to ramble on a bit... At the end of the day. This camera is far better at phography than I am. Had it for years now and dont see a need to change it !!
K-1Gripped K-1 ungripped K-5ii K7 Various lenses

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johnha

Link Posted 21/10/2019 - 22:06
Size & weight didn't factor in my decision (I do shoot a P6x7). If I'm using my K-5 it needs the grip to be comfortable, this makes it the same size & weight as a K-1 (which is comfortable without the grip). I have a bagful of FF film lenses and wanted to use them in their native format. Cost wise it cost much less than the lenses I stick on it (mostly FA primes and the FA 20-35 which is my most used lens).
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GeoffMoore

Link Posted 22/10/2019 - 14:47
pschlute wrote:
womble wrote:

Cost of replacing my APS-C lenses (DA* 50-135, DA* 60-250, DA 12-24, Sigma 17-80)

I cannot speak for the others, but the 60-250 works just fine on FF. There is a tiny bit of vignetting noticeable but it did not bother me. If you crop at all it is gone or you can brighten it up in post. There is a baffle modification that some have done to it but I dont think it is worth it.

For anyone who is interested here is my non scientific test pentax 60-250mm F4 on Pentax K-1 with and without Baffle

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Don

Link Posted 22/10/2019 - 19:32
my switch from aps-c to FF involved:
switching brands to Sony mirrorless.
adapting all my legacy FF manual focus lenses for shooting video on the Sony.
one adapter with aperture ring for my aps-c da lenses... adapting my Pentax wr100 for portrait and macro work on the Sony.
setting my k3 kit aside more less to be kept as a back-up camera or studio stills shooting.

The k3 is as nice as It ever was, even if it doesn't get used as much as it should...
no regrets going FF with Sony. the new sony lenses are great, albeit pricey.... but being able to use the old Pentax glass is nice also.
would not recommend the sony if astrophotography is your primary interest.... despite the great low light performance and sharp glass available there is a known software quirk that treats some smaller, fainter stars as dust or noise and it removes them... you can still get great shots, just not accurate enough for astro related work.
Fired many shots. Didn't kill anything.

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Benz3ne

Link Posted 24/10/2019 - 12:37
Sorry about my tardy replies all. I've been busy with unfortunate family stuffs (bereavement, my side of family and my better half's side).

Everything is very much pointing towards me procuring a K-1... I've a birthday around the corner and hopefully can collate some funds from there too (I've gently suggested to family members that I don't need anything, which is true less a new pair of running shoes). Thereafter, it'll be a case of sell off the K-70 and 18-135mm and club it all together for a K-1! Not much longer to go, fingers crossed!

I also managed to sell off the K-S2 and 50mm f/1.8 as a bundle to someone who seems very happy with them.

Benz3ne

Link Posted 24/10/2019 - 12:41
davidwozhere wrote:
I (generally) use the K5 for hand held macro because it's light and handy, the K3ii to carry around because it's such an all-rounder and if I want to go photo mad (which happens often) I put some old glass on the K1 and the K1 on a tripod because it weighs a bit more. The K1 is a superb beast that can make the best of first class old glass. The crop frame cameras can't make full use of their often amazing resolution but the K1 can. I fully intended to sell at least one of the others to fund it but it never happened! ........... and I have never had to buy any of those staggeringly expensive Self Destruct Motorised lenses either.

Agreed - 'limiting' myself to one camera body only will give me scope for adjusting my technique (physical, more than photographic) for handheld macro, general photography or landscape works.
Similarly, I'll have mostly old glass anyway; I love how capable it generally is while being, again generally, cost effective.

Benz3ne

Link Posted 24/10/2019 - 13:00
Jonathan-Mac wrote:
Size, weight and cost are really the main reasons not to go to a K-1, and in "cost" I include selling off APS-C lenses and spending money on FF lenses.

For me it's primarily cost but also weight for travelling and my attachment to the DA Limited lenses.

The DA limiteds I'm not at all acquainted with, but I can see why if one already owned them they would be a factor to consider. My cost burden for selling APS-C lenses should be small. I only currently own two (now I've sold the DA50/1. in the 18-135mm WR and 55-300mm PLM, the latter of which I will probably use for a while anyway and cropping, before either getting FA glass to fill the gap or legacy glass to fill the gap.
Size and weight shouldn't be much of an issue for me this early in my life. It'll take some getting used to, sure, but I don't think it'll be a dealbreaker.

Chrism8 wrote:
For me the performance outweighs the differences in the KG's, I only had 2 non FF lenses when I purchased my K1 so it was a fairly easy decision to go for it, I don't think I will need to change it for a good number of years, I've had it prob around 3 years already and theres not enough difference in spec for me to upgrade to a K1ii.

I have a 645 / K1 which covers everything I tend to shoot and the Mrs uses the K3ii

I think I'm in the same boat insofar as having 2x non-FF lenses currently. Much of my hoard is legacy glass, so that's easy to just transfer over! I agree about the lack of improvements (from reading) to justify the extra spend on a K-1 ii.

Don wrote:
my switch from aps-c to FF involved:
switching brands to Sony mirrorless.
adapting all my legacy FF manual focus lenses for shooting video on the Sony.
one adapter with aperture ring for my aps-c da lenses... adapting my Pentax wr100 for portrait and macro work on the Sony.
setting my k3 kit aside more less to be kept as a back-up camera or studio stills shooting.

Interesting - the conversion for you seems to be from photo to video for your primary camera rather than from Pentax to Sony regarding stills shooting. I can fully appreciate why a mirrorless might make focus easier for video footage, or you get the opportunity to see it 'on screen' as you shoot with a little more bravado than on a Pentax (which isn't famed for video). It's difficult to overlook that, although you don't use it as often, the K-3 is still reserved for studio stills!

johnha wrote:
Size & weight didn't factor in my decision (I do shoot a P6x7). If I'm using my K-5 it needs the grip to be comfortable, this makes it the same size & weight as a K-1 (which is comfortable without the grip). I have a bagful of FF film lenses and wanted to use them in their native format. Cost wise it cost much less than the lenses I stick on it (mostly FA primes and the FA 20-35 which is my most used lens).

I think this argument holds some weight, pun intended. Whatever you get used to is what is comfortable. I'm currently used to a K-70, and K-S2 before it, but it would probably not take me long to get used to a K-1 in terms of dimensions etc. That is, I've only really had hands-on time for a few months total over the few years I've owned the K-S2 (and recently the K-70). When I get a year down the line with any one camera, that view might change. Ergo, I might as well change that view sooner rather than later.

stub wrote:
And like you do, in these situatuions. Put the blame firmly at the door of the equipment....lol.

I didn't really have any full frame glass at the time. Went on ebay bought a couple of very cheap film lenses. And honestly.. Quality was rubbish...! So again I used my no excuses theory. Contacted SRS and bought a DFA 24-70.. On a special offer deal. OMG...What a lens this is.. Fast, sharp, Landscapes, walk about Portraits it does them all really well. [...] This camera is far better at phography than I am. Had it for years now and dont see a need to change it !!

Sorry to scale down your informative post (I did enjoy reading it all, honest)! It's true, if you have the opportunity to spend, you can get some items which make life easier; not having to worry about lazy focuses, or manual focus, or old, fungus-ridden glass... however, my experience of film lenses has been excellent with only one or two minor caveats.
I'm not trying to blame the equipment, as much as it seems like I am... Oftentimes I'm very happy with how photos have come out on the K-70; it's a stellar little camera for the money, but as always I'm yearning for something with a bit more punch. Whether that's in terms of capturing fine details, having the potential to print larger prints, a better autofocus when I do use it... etc.
In short (my turn now), it very much rings true with your last point - I'd love to have something relatively 'future proof' and not feel the need to change it.


To all; with all I've said above in mind, it's also difficult to look past the KP as a cheaper option. Though that removes the full frame aspect so that is keeping me looking towards the K-1...
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