SLR, EVF, point of terminology


Mongoose

Link Posted 15/04/2009 - 09:48
I have resisted mentioning this in any thread on the matter, because I know I'm being pedantic and we all know what is meant when someone refers to an SLR with an EVF.

However, it's bugging me and I just have to say it somewhere so here it is, nice and separate so it wont get in the way of other peoples discussions

there is no such thing as an SLR with an EVF

there, that feels better.

SLR stands for Single Lens Reflex and refers to the fact that the viewfinder image is created using a reflective system coupling directly to the main lens. A camera may LOOK and even feel and act like an SLR, but if it doesn't have a mirror, it's not an SLR.

You might just as well call a modern digital compact a Rangefinder because it looks a bit like one.

Rant over. Sorry about that all.
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johnriley

Link Posted 15/04/2009 - 09:52
That's OK, we know this and you know we know, but....it did need saying.

But the question then is what new term could we use for an EVF camera with interchangeable lenses, given that an SLR is the nearest thing to it? Interchangeable Lens Compact Digital EVF Camera is a bit long winded...
Best regards, John

Pwynnej

Link Posted 15/04/2009 - 10:06
Also stands for self-loading rifle....

handy for when you are trying to persuade ignoramii that an SLR does not have an EVF
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golfdiesel

Link Posted 15/04/2009 - 12:15
The same goes for calling a film camera a "analog camera" There is nothing analog about film, it's chemical process.
Call it a chemical camera but don't call it a analog camera.
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Anvh

Link Posted 15/04/2009 - 12:40
If someone talks about EVIL camera's I'm sure that 9 out of the 10 doesn't know what it is. So is it beter to be terminology correct or that you are understandable?
I do agree however that they need to get used to EVIL instead of saying SLR with a EVF but since it's all so new just have them let the time to train the sheeps.

Edit: typo
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Last Edited by Anvh on 15/04/2009 - 14:21

Aero

Link Posted 15/04/2009 - 12:43
golfdiesel wrote:
The same goes for calling a film camera a "analog camera" There is nothing analog about film, it's chemical process.
Call it a chemical camera but don't call it a analog camera.

Technically, unless I've missed some major developoment, "digital" cameras are analogue at the point of capture. The output from the sensor is then converted to digital for further processing. If there's such a thing as an analogue camera, it's a digital camera. As you say, Golfdiesel, no one talks about chemical processes as being analogue.
Last Edited by Aero on 15/04/2009 - 12:44

Gwyn

Link Posted 15/04/2009 - 12:49
EVIL will never catch on as the name for these cameras because of it's other connotations. I have also heard them called hybrids, which I guess is as good a name as any.
The new Pentax however will not be an EVF/EVIL/Hybrid. The head of Hoya stated categorically that they were not working on such a camera, and that Samsungs new one is all Samsungs own work.

Anvh

Link Posted 15/04/2009 - 14:21
The Hybrid comes from Samsung since it use a normall APS-C sensor and use an EVF. The currently only EVIl camera system is the Micro 3/4th and the Hybrid would be the second one, although the name Hybrid sounds right though
Stefan


K10D, K5
DA* 16-50, DA* 50-135, D-FA 100 Macro, DA 40 Ltd, DA 18-55
AF-540FGZ

JPC1970

Link Posted 15/04/2009 - 14:50
Same as when someone overtakes you on the road and indicates to come back in. What they think that youthink they are just going to stay out their and drive into oncoming vehicles.

Sorry Off Topic rant over with now.


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johnriley

Link Posted 15/04/2009 - 15:10
Digital cameras are indeed analogue devices and the signal is digitised after the sesor has relayed its information.

There is ironically nothing analogue about film. Each and every silver halide grain either does or does not react with light, 0 or 1 so to speak. Film is therefore as digital as it gets.

But having said that when we speak of analogue and digital cameras we do really know what we mean.
Best regards, John

Pwynnej

Link Posted 15/04/2009 - 15:13
devil's advocate mode on...

a manual camera isn't a fully manual camera.... discuss


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Metz 45 CL-4, AF500FTZ. AF540FGZ.
Some Mamiya and some Nikon
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