Royal Mail ban on lithium batteries?!
Otherwise, if the batteries are unbranded (Acme Battery Co, etc) - basically of "questionable" quality, then they are not permitted into the aircraft hold, and should be carried upon the person as cabin baggage. Again - I'd strongly recommend taping over the contacts.
The reason for these regulations is that it has been proven that lithium batteries can spontaneously combust when exposed to air. You may recall a few years ago that Sony had a huge problem with laptops because of this very thing, and when a plane is travelling at 35,000 feet - there's only one place it's gonna go in the event of a major incident, and gravity plays a very big part in that decision.
http://www.royalmail.com/personal/help-and-support/Tell-me-about-Prohibited-Good...
John
Well I've read through it and I don't see anything that says what you are interpreting it to say.
Not my interpretation John, from the RM web-site, "Batteries that are classed as dangerous goods by the latest edition of the International Civil Aviation Organization’s (ICAO) Technical Instructions are prohibited. This includes lithium ion/polymer/metal/alloy batteries sent in isolation, with or contained in electronic equipment such as mobile phones or digital cameras."
Did you click through to prohibited goods?
http://www.royalmail.com/personal/help-and-support/Tell-me-about-Prohibited-Good...
John
Yes thanks, it's what I quoted in my original post.
@ JohnX - These regulations came into force on Jan 1st this year. So long as branded batteries have their electrical contacts insulated (sticky tape should do the trick), they are safe to be placed in the hold of an aircraft, provided that the battery casing is intact/free from defects such as cracking, etc.
Otherwise, if the batteries are unbranded (Acme Battery Co, etc) - basically of "questionable" quality, then they are not permitted into the aircraft hold, and should be carried upon the person as cabin baggage. Again - I'd strongly recommend taping over the contacts.
The reason for these regulations is that it has been proven that lithium batteries can spontaneously combust when exposed to air. You may recall a few years ago that Sony had a huge problem with laptops because of this very thing, and when a plane is travelling at 35,000 feet - there's only one place it's gonna go in the event of a major incident, and gravity plays a very big part in that decision.
Agreed, but the RM have been allowed to be over zealous in their interpretation.
Carriage of Dangerous Goods By Air is heavily regulated, and can only be transported once packed in accordance with these regulations, in UN-specified containers, with a dangerous goods note issued to cover these goods. They must never, ever be consolidated onto one Master Airway Bill (MAWB), thus they travel at FULL IATA FREIGHT rates, which is "prohibitively" expensive. I would expect a typical freight quote for Dangerous Goods to be around the £150 (minimum) mark.
Certain items simply cannot ever be uplifted by either commercial, or cargo aircraft. Nothing that relates to photographic equipment falls into this category, thankfully.
@ JohnX - I've been working in the international express industry for the past 25 years or so, and I'm also IATA/ICAO certificated, so I do know the regulations. RM has a tendency to apply "overkill" as they don't really have designated staff to deal with such articles.
Carriage of Dangerous Goods By Air is heavily regulated, and can only be transported once packed in accordance with these regulations, in UN-specified containers, with a dangerous goods note issued to cover these goods. They must never, ever be consolidated onto one Master Airway Bill (MAWB), thus they travel at FULL IATA FREIGHT rates, which is "prohibitively" expensive. I would expect a typical freight quote for Dangerous Goods to be around the £150 (minimum) mark.
Certain items simply cannot ever be uplifted by either commercial, or cargo aircraft. Nothing that relates to photographic equipment falls into this category, thankfully.
I had no intention suggesting you were wrong Steve - it's RM that have gone OTT, but the impact, potentially, is on 'us'. I have bought 3rd party batteries for my various cameras from the likes of 7dayshop and via eBay - can't now.
@ JohnX - I've been working in the international express industry for the past 25 years or so, and I'm also IATA/ICAO certificated, so I do know the regulations. RM has a tendency to apply "overkill" as they don't really have designated staff to deal with such articles.
Carriage of Dangerous Goods By Air is heavily regulated, and can only be transported once packed in accordance with these regulations, in UN-specified containers, with a dangerous goods note issued to cover these goods. They must never, ever be consolidated onto one Master Airway Bill (MAWB), thus they travel at FULL IATA FREIGHT rates, which is "prohibitively" expensive. I would expect a typical freight quote for Dangerous Goods to be around the £150 (minimum) mark.
Certain items simply cannot ever be uplifted by either commercial, or cargo aircraft. Nothing that relates to photographic equipment falls into this category, thankfully.
I had no intention suggesting you were wrong Steve - it's RM that have gone OTT, but the impact, potentially, is on 'us'. I have bought 3rd party batteries for my various cameras from the likes of 7dayshop and via eBay - can't now.
Does that not depend on whetehr such rules are actually applied in the real world ?
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@ JohnX - I've been working in the international express industry for the past 25 years or so, and I'm also IATA/ICAO certificated, so I do know the regulations. RM has a tendency to apply "overkill" as they don't really have designated staff to deal with such articles.
Carriage of Dangerous Goods By Air is heavily regulated, and can only be transported once packed in accordance with these regulations, in UN-specified containers, with a dangerous goods note issued to cover these goods. They must never, ever be consolidated onto one Master Airway Bill (MAWB), thus they travel at FULL IATA FREIGHT rates, which is "prohibitively" expensive. I would expect a typical freight quote for Dangerous Goods to be around the £150 (minimum) mark.
Certain items simply cannot ever be uplifted by either commercial, or cargo aircraft. Nothing that relates to photographic equipment falls into this category, thankfully.
I had no intention suggesting you were wrong Steve - it's RM that have gone OTT, but the impact, potentially, is on 'us'. I have bought 3rd party batteries for my various cameras from the likes of 7dayshop - can't now.
I didn't interpret it as a suggestion that I was wrong, John Basically, to the layman, it is difficult to understand why regulations such as these are in place. If I can help to explain the reasoning behind it, then I will do so in the hope that it may offer a bit of enlightenment as to the "why's and wherefor's".
I'd have thought that RM would permit batteries to be carried (at least by UK surface mail) since the goods are being supplied from a verifiable retailer. It's the "Acme" batteries that present the problem. Basically (as I interpret these regulations), batteries fall into any one of three categories:
"White list" - DURACELL, EVER READY, and any other "dedicated" battery manufacturer.
"Grey list" - Panasonic, Sony, Kodak, Samsung, etc. These are likely to have been 3rd-party manufactured by a reputable supplier, where there are stringent quality controls in place.
"Black list" - basically any battery (usually made in a "sweat-shop" in the Far East) where there is no accountability/traceability, and generally are packaged with "made-up" names, but visually similar to the genuine article - Sonething along the lines of "PONY" (sounds like Sony).
The "rule of thumb" being that the white listed batteries can be safely loaded into the cargo hold, with minimum checks. Grey listed ones, subject to stringent checks (and possible repackaging to IATA/ICAO standards) can be placed in the hold only after satisfying these stringent requirements. The black list - 'nuff said!!
I still don't see why correctly packaged batteries, as per the specification given, cannot be sent by post. It just tells us how to send them and how many can be sent.
John - provided an accurate description is provided, I don't honestly see a problem. The problems only arise when the description is either "vague", or no description is given.
On a daily basis, I see shipments described as "spare parts", which is vague, since these particular parts may have a dual purpose, for example, in the manufacture of nuclear weapons. A more reasonable (and more accurate) description of these machine parts would be along the lines of "Pentax camera spare parts". Similarly, if the batteries are declared as "Pentax LI-ion battery LI-019 battery for Pentax Kr camera" then it gives somebody the opportunity of making a more informed decision as to its safety, or otherwise, with a second opinion sought from someone in a position of authority on such matters.
It seems that the RM regulations changed for contract customers on 14 January and will change for others on 15 July.
RM seem to say different things in different parts of their website. If you go here and here it suggests lithium ion and polymer batteries may not be sent on their own but are OK within UK (but not internationally) in a device.
Referring to surface mail within UK ignores the fact that quite a lot of the longer distance mail goes by air.
Since post often goes on passenger aircraft it is reasonable that it they are no longer allowed in the post. Even within the UK post is transported by air.
This time my camera from SRS was sent by DHL, last time by post, but with the bx clearly marked that it contained lithium batteries.
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Batteries
Batteries that are classed as dangerous goods by the latest edition of the International Civil Aviation Organization’s (ICAO) Technical Instructions are prohibited. This includes lithium ion/polymer/metal/alloy batteries sent in isolation, with or contained in electronic equipment such as mobile phones or digital cameras.
Lead acid batteries (e.g. car batteries) and sealed lead acid batteries are also prohibited.
Alkaline, nickel metal hydride (NiMH) and nickel cadmium (NiCd) batteries may only be sent when new and in their original packaging. Please see www.royalmail.com/restrictedgoods
Seems that RM have been over zealous, since I understand the TI refers to batteries containing over 1gm of lithium.
I for one will be flagging this to my MP, not least because breaking these rules will be a criminal offence punishable by unlimited fines and prison sentences of up to 2 years and I want to know what idiot in HMG let RM to it.