'Perfect' set of lenses?


mikew

Link Posted 30/04/2010 - 08:20
I understand your argument and respect it but I don't have the same issues as you with AF. I find I usually get the focus lock I want - well of course I am careful to get the one I want and I don't focus and recompose (usually).

50 is 75 in FF film speak and is a long lens for a walk about IMO. I think my 35 and 30 are a bit long. I would definitely agree a 28 is better than a 50 as a first prime. In fact I did buy one but just didn't get on with it and sold it. Then I got the 35/f2 and was hooked.

Mike
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flossie

Link Posted 30/04/2010 - 08:49
mikew wrote:
I understand your argument and respect it but I don't have the same issues as you with AF. I find I usually get the focus lock I want - well of course I am careful to get the one I want and I don't focus and recompose (usually).

May be drifting off-topic somewhat here, but this is something I fine quite interesting... recent A/50mm shots (only chosen to look at focus issues)

This the kind of thing I argue with AF over :

perfered :


vs unprefered :



And how could AF do this candid shot without some difficult focus & recompose, which would probably spoil the moment with activity and noise?




Of course, its horses for courses...just like which lens to use
Still shooting in the dark (literally and metaphorically)...

mikew

Link Posted 30/04/2010 - 08:55
Last one first: By choosing an AF point on teh right to lock onto the gent's head?

Doggy shots: I don't know what you want in focus but I agree you'd need to be careful. Assuming doggy is subject choose a suitable AF point and be watchful!

Ah - does the K-x have multiple AF points?

Mike
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flossie

Link Posted 30/04/2010 - 09:08
K-x has 11 points you can choose. Although by the time you've looked at the shot, looked at the menu, faffed about with the menu, re-composed the shot... you would have been better to twiddle the ring on the front!

The doggy shot, I wanted the foreground blossom, doggy oof (he wanders into just about every shot anyway ). Its not a particularly good composition, was just a random pair of shots where I was playing with different focuses to see how they look - I'm still very much learning!
Still shooting in the dark (literally and metaphorically)...
Last Edited by flossie on 30/04/2010 - 09:09

mikew

Link Posted 30/04/2010 - 09:18
I find selecting the focus point on the K20D very fast, no menus just the dial at the back. So it's tap, tap to move point, press AF button (I'm sure you don't have the half press of the shutter activating the AF now do you ) press shutter release.

But if it's a snatch shot then if I can plan ahead I will prefocus usingh somewhere other than the subject, swing round and shoot. If not then centre point focus, recompose, shoot and hope. I wear varifocals which may influence this as I can struggle to MF quickly with confidence.

Depending on which bit of blossom at that range I might have centre point AF which is where I always reset it, AF button, swing and shoot. If it's the blossom more to the left as above tap, tap on wheel to move AF point, AF button and shoot.

But it's possible I have customised my setting to do this and forgotten that I have done so!

Mike
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bforbes

Link Posted 30/04/2010 - 09:19
Are you not able to pre-select the center focus point on the K-x, as you can on the K10/20?
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mayday

Link Posted 30/04/2010 - 09:29
I much prefer to take photos of animals and birds - so the longer the lens the better for me...FA*600, FA*300 and FA* 80-200 zoom all work for me. I have recently succumbed to the DA* 60-250 and a DA* 300 as they are both lighter to work with and the faster/quieter SDM assisted focus is a pleasure

As for a perfect set of lenses - as terminal LBA sufferer - that will never happen
Regards
David

Retired at last - now all that time for photography - you would think: wink:

robbie_d

Link Posted 30/04/2010 - 09:34
bforbes wrote:
Are you not able to pre-select the center focus point on the K-x, as you can on the K10/20?

You can on the K-m so I assume you can on the K-x.

I love my manual primes, but the convenience of AF is a big factor for me, and I find actually helps with candid shots as you're not having to fine tune MF. Also, the focus speed of the pancakes is rapid. Let's also not forget that AF lenses can be switched to MF (or even better, use quick-shift) if you want the flexibility of manual focus.

In terms of your two pictures above, I might be missing the point but I think it would be easy enough:

Focus, recompose, shoot.

I always have my K-m set to centre-point focus, and have disabled auto-focus on the shutter release button (also with AE lock on AF hold). Makes things a lot easier.
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Apparently.

robbie_d

Link Posted 30/04/2010 - 09:36
mayday wrote:
I much prefer to take photos of animals and birds - so the longer the lens the better for me...FA*600, FA*300 and FA* 80-200 zoom all work for me. I have recently succumbed to the DA* 60-250 and a DA* 300 as they are both lighter to work with and the faster/quieter SDM assisted focus is a pleasure

As for a perfect set of lenses - as terminal LBA sufferer - that will never happen

The truest statement on this thread. My definition of perfect changes on a daily basis, and as a wise man once said "True perfection has to be imperfect" (OK it was Noel Gallagher).

That said I stand my my comment earlier "Mmm...pancakes...".
If you can't say something nice about Pentax, you won't say anything at all.

Apparently.

K10D

Link Posted 30/04/2010 - 09:38
Focus methods now on a new thread.

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Regards
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Last Edited by K10D on 30/04/2010 - 09:38

Pwynnej

Link Posted 30/04/2010 - 10:20
back on topic.....

Here is my set of perfect lenses....

Sigma EX 20 mm f1.8 (nice big chunky lens)
FA 28 (65 in Cambrian)
FA 31 (I had to, temptation was too great)
FA 35 (got this before the Limited)
FA 50 (standard lens)
FA 77 (bought in Japan - didn't need it, but wanted it)
FA 85 (kneel in front of me - you lot are not worthy)
D-FA 100 (another Japan bought lens when 1 bought Y200)

Just need a 135 f2.8 and FA*300 now then I'm happy...
K20D, Z-1p, Z-1
F50 1.7,FAs 24,31,35,50 1.4,77,85,135. DA*16-50. DA*60-250. DA*300 D-FA 100
SA 12-24.
Metz 45 CL-4, AF500FTZ. AF540FGZ.
Some Mamiya and some Nikon

mayday

Link Posted 30/04/2010 - 10:48
Pwynnej wrote:
back on topic.....

Just need a 135 f2.8 and FA*300 now then I'm happy...

You think so????????
Regards
David

Retired at last - now all that time for photography - you would think: wink:

K10D

Link Posted 30/04/2010 - 10:50
Pwynnej wrote:
back on topic.....

Here is my set of perfect lenses....

Sigma EX 20 mm f1.8 (nice big chunky lens)
FA 28 (65 in Cambrian)
FA 31 (I had to, temptation was too great)
FA 35 (got this before the Limited)
FA 50 (standard lens)
FA 77 (bought in Japan - didn't need it, but wanted it)
FA 85 (kneel in front of me - you lot are not worthy)
D-FA 100 (another Japan bought lens when 1 bought Y200)

Just need a 135 f2.8 and FA*300 now then I'm happy...

More glass than my local pub.....

Regards
cameradextrous _ Motorcycles etc. link

hefty1

Link Posted 30/04/2010 - 11:17
I'm actually quite content with the list of lenses in my signature - although there's been a lot of trial and error to get to this point. The only changes I see coming in the near future are (1) Sell the M100/4 Macro due to duplication, (2) Get a MkII WR 18-55 to replace my MkI and (3) Get a decent long/fast telephoto - probably the DA*300.

Then you can stick a pin in me 'cos I'll be done!
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axl

Link Posted 30/04/2010 - 13:42
I'd go with some cheap(ish) zoom and cheap old fast prime. Experiment with those, take a lot of shots and analyze. Then buy the best primes available to your budget in the focal lengths u used/liked most...

BR
Peter
my PBase --- PPG
K-7 + O-ME53, K-x blue, AF280T, AF240Z, AF160SA
SMC: FA*24 - FA31ltd - DA*55 - FA100/2.8
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