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Posted 31/07/2012 - 14:27
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Your choice of shutter speed and aperture will also "manipulate" the eventual photograph.
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Posted 31/07/2012 - 15:48
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I think you guys could cut Walkeja a little slack, I'd take a guess that English is not his native tongue and he's doing his best to ask questions with a limited vocabulary.
Walkeja, to answer your question:
It does not matter how the image started it's life as long as it was captured with a Pentax Camera, it does not matter how much or how little (if any) manipulation is done in photoshop, non of these thing prevent you from entering the competition.
Whether or not the judges will choose a manipulated image over one that has had very little done to it is another matter, that will be down to the judge/s and no one on this forum can answer that.
Walkeja, to answer your question:
It does not matter how the image started it's life as long as it was captured with a Pentax Camera, it does not matter how much or how little (if any) manipulation is done in photoshop, non of these thing prevent you from entering the competition.
Whether or not the judges will choose a manipulated image over one that has had very little done to it is another matter, that will be down to the judge/s and no one on this forum can answer that.
Posted 31/07/2012 - 16:11
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fatspider wrote:
I think you guys could cut Walkeja a little slack, I'd take a guess that English is not his native tongue and he's doing his best to ask questions with a limited vocabulary.
I think you guys could cut Walkeja a little slack, I'd take a guess that English is not his native tongue and he's doing his best to ask questions with a limited vocabulary.
You could be right. I admit I assumed with the name John Walker that he is English/British but of course he doesn't have to be so.
Posted 31/07/2012 - 16:14
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TBH, that's what I thought at first. But I then looked through his posts and he clearly is a native English speaker. He's just not very polite.
Posted 31/07/2012 - 16:19
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Personally I dont consider that he was either 'rude or aggresive' Possibly just not totaly fluent in English of very new to Digital Photography!
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Posted 31/07/2012 - 16:22
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I think it would be a good idea if a discussion about someone wasn't going on as if they were not in the room....this is a public forum and the OP is stood right next to you.
The question deserved an answer and as far as I can see it's got an answer.
The question deserved an answer and as far as I can see it's got an answer.
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Posted 31/07/2012 - 16:27
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Sorry John, you are right of course.
My apologies to Walkeja and to you too.
My apologies to Walkeja and to you too.
Posted 31/07/2012 - 17:23
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I don't believe it is possible to scan a slide or neg without there being some unavoidable image 'manipulation'. To scan you need scanner software I believe, and this will always have some default settings that are applied even if you don't touch anything - eg. sharpness, contrast, brightness - all things that are usually applied to digital images also as a matter of course.
A scanner is, sort of, taking another 'shot' of the original - it has to apply some basic settings to output the scan. So I don't think there can be such a thing as a 'pure' unedited scan. In most cases the scans can be 'improved' (bad term?) by altering the settings on the scan software, or they risk looking dull and unsaturated once seen on the computer.
I'm assuming the reason that original slides or prints can't be sent in is because of the extra effort in handling them or viewing them?
A scanner is, sort of, taking another 'shot' of the original - it has to apply some basic settings to output the scan. So I don't think there can be such a thing as a 'pure' unedited scan. In most cases the scans can be 'improved' (bad term?) by altering the settings on the scan software, or they risk looking dull and unsaturated once seen on the computer.
I'm assuming the reason that original slides or prints can't be sent in is because of the extra effort in handling them or viewing them?
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Posted 01/08/2012 - 00:39
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I didn't think to check Walkeja's profile, and yes John Walker sounds a very English name
Walkeja on the other hand definitely sound foriegn, Polish or Czech or something equally un-pronouncable (no offence meant to Poles or Czechs)
If I have offended Walkeja in any way I apologise sincerely.
I shall stop now before I put my big foot in it again
Walkeja on the other hand definitely sound foriegn, Polish or Czech or something equally un-pronouncable (no offence meant to Poles or Czechs)
If I have offended Walkeja in any way I apologise sincerely.
I shall stop now before I put my big foot in it again
Posted 01/08/2012 - 11:48
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Yes, I am English, and this is where I am coming from as far as photography is concerned; "A photograph or photo is an image created by light falling on a light-sensitive surface, usually photographic film or an electronic imager such as a CCD or a CMOS chip. Most photographs are created using a camera, which uses a lens to focus the scene's visible wavelengths of light into a reproduction of what the human eye would see. The process and practice of creating photographs is called photography. The word "photograph" was coined in 1839 by Sir John Herschel and is based on the Greek φῶς (phos), meaning "light", and γραφή (graphê), meaning "drawing, writing", together meaning "drawing with light"".
Therefore to my simple logical brain, the darkroom was/is photography, changing the image in a computer is not.
When the magazine was in print, a member won the quarterly competition with an image of a keyboard which had been manipulated by computer software in to a circle. That, to me, is not photography, that is showing how adept you are at using computer software. As for "improving" the photo by means of PS or whatever, you are saying that the image produced by the sensor in the camera is crap. Yet you also say that the image quality of the said sensor is excellent, so why does it need to be improved?
I understand the need for this software in the early days of digital photography when the chip only had a few (1) megapixels, but nowadays there is no need to use it, you are just kidding yourselves that you do. If you don't agree then you are saying that Pentax, et al, digital cameras are all rubbish.
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Therefore to my simple logical brain, the darkroom was/is photography, changing the image in a computer is not.
When the magazine was in print, a member won the quarterly competition with an image of a keyboard which had been manipulated by computer software in to a circle. That, to me, is not photography, that is showing how adept you are at using computer software. As for "improving" the photo by means of PS or whatever, you are saying that the image produced by the sensor in the camera is crap. Yet you also say that the image quality of the said sensor is excellent, so why does it need to be improved?
I understand the need for this software in the early days of digital photography when the chip only had a few (1) megapixels, but nowadays there is no need to use it, you are just kidding yourselves that you do. If you don't agree then you are saying that Pentax, et al, digital cameras are all rubbish.
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Posted 01/08/2012 - 11:57
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Ah, but that's all a bit extreme walkeja.
The darkroom took the negative and we manipulated it as we saw fit, using whatever techniques appealed. Shading and burning in, choosing a paper grade, maybe using split grades, maybe toning...it's endless.
Digital photography is simply the electronic version of doing this and Photoshop follows darkroom practice very closely. Thise who never used a darkroom will not be as aware of this.
All the things i do now in Photoshop I could and did do in the darkroom. It was probably much more difficult to do in some respects, but not in others. There really is no difference.
The darkroom took the negative and we manipulated it as we saw fit, using whatever techniques appealed. Shading and burning in, choosing a paper grade, maybe using split grades, maybe toning...it's endless.
Digital photography is simply the electronic version of doing this and Photoshop follows darkroom practice very closely. Thise who never used a darkroom will not be as aware of this.
All the things i do now in Photoshop I could and did do in the darkroom. It was probably much more difficult to do in some respects, but not in others. There really is no difference.
Best regards, John
Posted 01/08/2012 - 11:57
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You are entitled to your opinion of what a "photograph" is and what digital manipulation means.
My opinion is different. Photography is art. There are no rules.
My opinion is different. Photography is art. There are no rules.
Posted 01/08/2012 - 13:13
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walkeja wrote:
As for "improving" the photo by means of PS or whatever, you are saying that the image produced by the sensor in the camera is crap. Yet you also say that the image quality of the said sensor is excellent, so why does it need to be improved?
I understand the need for this software in the early days of digital photography when the chip only had a few (1) megapixels, but nowadays there is no need to use it, you are just kidding yourselves that you do. If you don't agree then you are saying that Pentax, et al, digital cameras are all rubbish.
All the best
As for "improving" the photo by means of PS or whatever, you are saying that the image produced by the sensor in the camera is crap. Yet you also say that the image quality of the said sensor is excellent, so why does it need to be improved?
I understand the need for this software in the early days of digital photography when the chip only had a few (1) megapixels, but nowadays there is no need to use it, you are just kidding yourselves that you do. If you don't agree then you are saying that Pentax, et al, digital cameras are all rubbish.
All the best
If you are talking about JPEG images straight from the camera. These are only what a Pentax software engineer thinks they should be and may not anything like the scene your eye took in, in terms of contrast or colour.
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Posted 01/08/2012 - 13:32
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And 50% of us shoot RAW. What are we supposed to do?
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There is no distinction, judging is as stated, the best image submitted, in the asssessment and opinion of the judges, wins.
Every competition is the same, so I'm not sure what we've missed here.