Pentax K-3 Mark III now available to pre-order!
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Posted 03/04/2021 - 09:04
johnriley wrote:
Sorry Michaelblue, tried to correct your link which wasn't working. Can you post it again please?
Sorry Michaelblue, tried to correct your link which wasn't working. Can you post it again please?
John,
If you delete the first http, it works. -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH3tm8enm7c or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH3tm8enm7c&ab_channel=MikeMuizebelt
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Posted 03/04/2021 - 09:34
Thanks!
Best regards, John
Best regards, John
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Posted 03/04/2021 - 10:02
Please can we now have the autofocus, frame rate, ISO performance, new processor in a new K1 mkIII please - but without sacrificing GPS and movable rear screen?
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Posted 03/04/2021 - 10:32
I see Photospecialist have got it advertised at £1699 with UK VAT paid and a 5 year warranty
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Posted 03/04/2021 - 13:50
AlB wrote:
I see Photospecialist have got it advertised at £1699 with UK VAT paid and a 5 year warranty
I see Photospecialist have got it advertised at £1699 with UK VAT paid and a 5 year warranty
But...
Note that the delivery charge quoted to the UK applies only to goods with a value of £100.00 or less.
And...
Also...
And...
May not end being the 'bargain' it at first appears to be; even allowing for the fact that Photospecialist say they will pay the VAT due.
Caveat emptor
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Posted 03/04/2021 - 16:25
Jon, cameras from the EU are not subject to excise duty, as can be confirmed on-line.
As there is no duty payable on importing cameras from the Netherlands, the only issue is the cost of transportation which is hardly likely to be much more than the figure quoted in their t&c's.
All the other conditions quoted are not relevant if they pay the UK VAT (as do Amazon and many of the large international websites) and label the parcel as non-excise duty goods, which a camera is.
They seem to be taking advantage of the fact that the relationship between the EU and UK price is not the same as the relationship between the Euro and the pound.
If you were to convert the French, say, recommended price into pounds at the current Euro/Pound conversion rate the cost in the UK would be ~£1697.
Ricoh or the UK retailers profiteering?
Not worth buying the camera in the Uk is it? Plus a 5 year warranty rather than the 2years offered in the UK
As there is no duty payable on importing cameras from the Netherlands, the only issue is the cost of transportation which is hardly likely to be much more than the figure quoted in their t&c's.
All the other conditions quoted are not relevant if they pay the UK VAT (as do Amazon and many of the large international websites) and label the parcel as non-excise duty goods, which a camera is.
They seem to be taking advantage of the fact that the relationship between the EU and UK price is not the same as the relationship between the Euro and the pound.
If you were to convert the French, say, recommended price into pounds at the current Euro/Pound conversion rate the cost in the UK would be ~£1697.
Ricoh or the UK retailers profiteering?
Not worth buying the camera in the Uk is it? Plus a 5 year warranty rather than the 2years offered in the UK
Last Edited by AlB on 03/04/2021 - 16:32
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Posted 03/04/2021 - 16:53
Agreed that there should be no duty payable. Shipping would be £6.50 ("products from £100" in the quoted extract). However, when I bought a lens from them a couple of years ago there was an extra charge (about 5 euro) for having paid with a Visa credit card. And now there's the possibility of the delivery company adding something for having to deal with post-Brexit paperwork. Note also that in spite of the pricing on the website, prices are actually in Euros and that is the price on the invoice, so the sterling price might vary (it's in very small print at the bottom of their Delivery FAQ). And before pressing the button, think long and hard about how difficult and costly a warranty repair might be. It would have to be done in the Netherlands. I took a chance with a manual focus lens, you might think differently with a box of complicated electronics that's called a camera...
Steve
Steve
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Posted 03/04/2021 - 17:29
Steve,
The carrier only has paperwork to deal with if they have to collect VAT and/or Excise duty. In this case it doesn't apply, as I think you will agree.
As for the warranty, I doubt if sending the camera back to the Netherlands would cost much, if anything, more than sending it to Ricoh's UK approved repairer.
I myself had the same problem regarding card payments with them a few year's ago, but that was before both EU and UK law changed. They can't charge you for using the card for purchasing but there may be a charge by the card issuer for the currency conversion, although it's unlikely to come anywhere near the amount you would save by buying the camera at the Euro price rather than the Sterling price.
I bought my K30 from their original Dutch (English version) website several years ago and whilst it wasn't the easiest transaction I've ever had it was a long way from being the most difficult.
I fail to see how Ricoh and/or the UK retailers can justify charging ~11% more in the UK than they do in Europe. No doubt they'll use Brexit as an excuse.
If enough people buy from Europe then the price in the UK is bound to come down.
The carrier only has paperwork to deal with if they have to collect VAT and/or Excise duty. In this case it doesn't apply, as I think you will agree.
As for the warranty, I doubt if sending the camera back to the Netherlands would cost much, if anything, more than sending it to Ricoh's UK approved repairer.
I myself had the same problem regarding card payments with them a few year's ago, but that was before both EU and UK law changed. They can't charge you for using the card for purchasing but there may be a charge by the card issuer for the currency conversion, although it's unlikely to come anywhere near the amount you would save by buying the camera at the Euro price rather than the Sterling price.
I bought my K30 from their original Dutch (English version) website several years ago and whilst it wasn't the easiest transaction I've ever had it was a long way from being the most difficult.
I fail to see how Ricoh and/or the UK retailers can justify charging ~11% more in the UK than they do in Europe. No doubt they'll use Brexit as an excuse.
If enough people buy from Europe then the price in the UK is bound to come down.
Last Edited by AlB on 03/04/2021 - 17:32
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Posted 03/04/2021 - 18:40
AlB wrote:
Jon, cameras from the EU are not subject to excise duty, as can be confirmed on-line.
As there is no duty payable on importing cameras from the Netherlands, the only issue is the cost of transportation which is hardly likely to be much more than the figure quoted in their t&c's.
All the other conditions quoted are not relevant if they pay the UK VAT (as do Amazon and many of the large international websites) and label the parcel as non-excise duty goods, which a camera is.
They seem to be taking advantage of the fact that the relationship between the EU and UK price is not the same as the relationship between the Euro and the pound.
If you were to convert the French, say, recommended price into pounds at the current Euro/Pound conversion rate the cost in the UK would be ~£1697.
Ricoh or the UK retailers profiteering?
Not worth buying the camera in the Uk is it? Plus a 5 year warranty rather than the 2years offered in the UK
Jon, cameras from the EU are not subject to excise duty, as can be confirmed on-line.
As there is no duty payable on importing cameras from the Netherlands, the only issue is the cost of transportation which is hardly likely to be much more than the figure quoted in their t&c's.
All the other conditions quoted are not relevant if they pay the UK VAT (as do Amazon and many of the large international websites) and label the parcel as non-excise duty goods, which a camera is.
They seem to be taking advantage of the fact that the relationship between the EU and UK price is not the same as the relationship between the Euro and the pound.
If you were to convert the French, say, recommended price into pounds at the current Euro/Pound conversion rate the cost in the UK would be ~£1697.
Ricoh or the UK retailers profiteering?
Not worth buying the camera in the Uk is it? Plus a 5 year warranty rather than the 2years offered in the UK
Well I'm grateful for and encouraged by your input, Alan, but not sufficiently so to take a punt. Rather, I'll let some other (braver?) soul try it first and decide on the basis of their experience, assuming they are kind enough to share it with the other members of the forum
There is also a part of me that feels, notwithstanding the higher asking price, that I ought to be supporting a UK supplier that retains a physical as well as virtual store front. SRS being one that come immediately to mind.
Jon
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Posted 03/04/2021 - 19:05
prsjnb wrote:
Well I'm grateful for and encouraged by your input, Alan, but not sufficiently so to take a punt. Rather, I'll let some other (braver?) soul try it first and decide on the basis of their experience, assuming they are kind enough to share it with the other members of the forum
There is also a part of me that feels, notwithstanding the higher asking price, that I ought to be supporting a UK supplier that retains a physical as well as virtual store front. SRS being one that come immediately to mind.
Jon
AlB wrote:
Jon, cameras from the EU are not subject to excise duty, as can be confirmed on-line.
As there is no duty payable on importing cameras from the Netherlands, the only issue is the cost of transportation which is hardly likely to be much more than the figure quoted in their t&c's.
All the other conditions quoted are not relevant if they pay the UK VAT (as do Amazon and many of the large international websites) and label the parcel as non-excise duty goods, which a camera is.
They seem to be taking advantage of the fact that the relationship between the EU and UK price is not the same as the relationship between the Euro and the pound.
If you were to convert the French, say, recommended price into pounds at the current Euro/Pound conversion rate the cost in the UK would be ~£1697.
Ricoh or the UK retailers profiteering?
Not worth buying the camera in the Uk is it? Plus a 5 year warranty rather than the 2years offered in the UK
Jon, cameras from the EU are not subject to excise duty, as can be confirmed on-line.
As there is no duty payable on importing cameras from the Netherlands, the only issue is the cost of transportation which is hardly likely to be much more than the figure quoted in their t&c's.
All the other conditions quoted are not relevant if they pay the UK VAT (as do Amazon and many of the large international websites) and label the parcel as non-excise duty goods, which a camera is.
They seem to be taking advantage of the fact that the relationship between the EU and UK price is not the same as the relationship between the Euro and the pound.
If you were to convert the French, say, recommended price into pounds at the current Euro/Pound conversion rate the cost in the UK would be ~£1697.
Ricoh or the UK retailers profiteering?
Not worth buying the camera in the Uk is it? Plus a 5 year warranty rather than the 2years offered in the UK
Well I'm grateful for and encouraged by your input, Alan, but not sufficiently so to take a punt. Rather, I'll let some other (braver?) soul try it first and decide on the basis of their experience, assuming they are kind enough to share it with the other members of the forum
There is also a part of me that feels, notwithstanding the higher asking price, that I ought to be supporting a UK supplier that retains a physical as well as virtual store front. SRS being one that come immediately to mind.
Jon
I agree. Surely the point is that we are not in The EU anymore so anything that happened prior to leaving will be different now. Hard to see how it remains the same given the screaming and shouting going off regarding the results of Brexit. Certainly would be interested to see what the experience is buying from this company by any gals/guys brave enough to carry out pioneering work, but still think we should be investing in British companies
Andrew Goble
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Posted 04/04/2021 - 10:32
Andrew, Jon,
I couldn't agree more that we should be supporting UK suppliers, but not to the tune of £200 per camera. To my mind the great customer service given by the UK suppliers is not worth £200 more than the service given by a Dutch supplier.
The other point about supporting UK suppliers is that Ricoh are not British and I suspect it is they who are setting the wholesale price considerably higher to UK dealers than they are to European ones. UK suppliers should be getting together and negotiating with Ricoh to supply the cameras at the same price as they do to the Europeans.
Another point. Assuming that Ricoh EU are paying Ricoh Japan in Euros the sterling price ought to be less than the Euro price as the value of Sterling vs. Euro has been rising for the last 6 months so goods from Europe ought to be getting cheaper.
I couldn't agree more that we should be supporting UK suppliers, but not to the tune of £200 per camera. To my mind the great customer service given by the UK suppliers is not worth £200 more than the service given by a Dutch supplier.
The other point about supporting UK suppliers is that Ricoh are not British and I suspect it is they who are setting the wholesale price considerably higher to UK dealers than they are to European ones. UK suppliers should be getting together and negotiating with Ricoh to supply the cameras at the same price as they do to the Europeans.
Another point. Assuming that Ricoh EU are paying Ricoh Japan in Euros the sterling price ought to be less than the Euro price as the value of Sterling vs. Euro has been rising for the last 6 months so goods from Europe ought to be getting cheaper.
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Posted 04/04/2021 - 12:07
You'll get stung with import duties. Anything at all coming into the country over a certain value has to have it paid. Whether it is a gift box of chocolates or second hand clothes. I've had family members stung with duties for gifts from family within the EU.
Regards,
Dan
https://www.flickr.com/photos/honourabletyr/
Regards,
Dan
https://www.flickr.com/photos/honourabletyr/
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