Pentax 10-17mm Fisheye


rustytheclown

Link Posted 09/10/2010 - 11:05
I am looking to buy a wide angle lens in the near future and although I see a lot of praise for the Sigma 10 - 20mm not much is said about the Pentax 10-17mm Fisheye.Does anyone have one of these and if so what is your opinion? Does it give a fisheye image throughout the zoom range or just at the wide end? At the moment these are my 2 shortlisted choices, but do you have any other thoughts on what I should buy in the 400 - 500 price range? Your comments will be much appreciated.
Regards
Russ.

"There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs"
Ansel Adams

johnriley

Link Posted 09/10/2010 - 11:39
The 10-17mm Fisheye isn't an alternative to a 10-20mm or 12-24mm lens, it's a specialised lens that has a totally different effect on the images. It's a great lens, but only if you are after the 180 degree fisheye images that is produces at 10mm. It's never really staright, but the effect does diminish as you zoom.

If you want straight lines, for example for architecture, then the SMC Pentax-DA 12-24mm f4 is the one. New it's outside your price range, but you might find a second hand one.
Best regards, John

Mike-P

Link Posted 09/10/2010 - 12:54
My Pentax 12-24mm got very little use so I sold it and managed to grab myself a Sigma 12-24mm DG EX f4.5/5.6 Aspherical for half the DA's value.
I have to say I don't think the Sigma is as good as the Pentax lens but it's not THAT far off and considering the price difference plus the amount I use such a wide lens I am more than happy with it.

Thread here where I took the Sigma out for a morning.

The Pentax 10-17mm is something different altogether and I have sold my copy 3 times now (and aways end up buying another).

The other thing I must add is that the Sigma 12-24mm is FF (unlike the Pentax lens) which may (or may not) be important to you in the future.
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Last Edited by Mike-P on 09/10/2010 - 12:59

helios

Link Posted 09/10/2010 - 15:06
A wide zoom certainly provides a degree of versatility. I find the wide end of my DA 17-70 not quite wide enough for landscapes and architecture but I am not keen on extreme wide angle shots.

I settled for a DA 15mm Limited which gives a significantly wider view and has much less distortion and aberration than a standard zoom at its wide end. It is also small and light so it takes up little space in the camera bag or can be carried in a pocket. The Sigma and Pentax wide zooms are both quite big and heavy.

Fisheye lenses are another matter and while they can produce photos of great impact and are fun to use I suspect that most people find that they are their least used lenses. If you want to dip a toe in the fishy waters, the Zenitar 16mm or Falcon/Samyang 8mm are relatively inexpensive primes but both lack AF which is not a problem due to the depth of field at these focal lengths.
Archie

helios

Link Posted 09/10/2010 - 15:12
Mike-P wrote:


The Pentax 10-17mm is something different altogether and I have sold my copy 3 times now (and aways end up buying another).


I am relieved to find that I am not the only one to have regretted the sale of a lens and then bought another copy! I have not done it three times with the same lens yet....
Archie

rustytheclown

Link Posted 09/10/2010 - 16:35
Thanks everyone for the advice. I thought the Fisheye would be unsuitable for my needs, but just wanted to hear from someone who has used one.I take landscapes and just want something wider than the 18mm end of the zoom that I currently have.
Regards
Russ.

"There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs"
Ansel Adams

Anvh

Link Posted 09/10/2010 - 16:55
rustytheclown wrote:
Thanks everyone for the advice. I thought the Fisheye would be unsuitable for my needs, but just wanted to hear from someone who has used one.I take landscapes and just want something wider than the 18mm end of the zoom that I currently have.

A lens like the DA 16-45 also give you already quite a wider feel, it doesn't sound much those 2mm but it actually quite is.

There is also the Tamron 10-24 to consider and the Sigma 8-16 for ultra wide angle.
Stefan


K10D, K5
DA* 16-50, DA* 50-135, D-FA 100 Macro, DA 40 Ltd, DA 18-55
AF-540FGZ
Last Edited by Anvh on 09/10/2010 - 16:55

Gwyn

Link Posted 09/10/2010 - 17:01
I had a Sigma 10-20. A lovely lens but for me it was just too wide for landscape work. I concluded I would rather stitch photos to convey the width than cram all that width into a single photo. So I sold it. No regrets at all. I bought a netbook with the proceeds, which gets more use than the lens ever did.

I would try a 16-50* or a 16-45 if you can find one, before going very wide.
My 17-70 suits me just fine. Rarely do I wish it was wider, and when I do I just stitch two or more pictures together..

giofi

Link Posted 09/10/2010 - 20:33
I never tried the Sigma 10-20, but I have a Pentax/Samsung 12-24 and I think it is a great lens. If not my most used, I think it is one of the 2 most used of my lenses. I would certainly recommend it.
Giorgio

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Last Edited by giofi on 09/10/2010 - 20:36

fritzthedog

Link Posted 09/10/2010 - 20:49
I have the Sigma 10-20 and the Pentax 10-17 and they are both excellent lenses but with entirely different personalities and uses.

All of the comments before me regarding the differences are valid so I will not bother repeating them.

If what you are wanting is a wide angle - then the Sigma is one of my all time favourites.

With the money you have to play with - you could just about get both. I paid 307 for the Sigma new - imported from HK and I paid 299 for the Pentax used boxed mint from LCE

Cral
No matter how many lenses I have owned - I have always needed just one more
Last Edited by fritzthedog on 09/10/2010 - 20:50

Hyram

Link Posted 09/10/2010 - 20:59
I have not yet worked out why people think that you need an extreme wide angle for landscape work

My 12 - 24 was bought primarily for architectural photography.
Hyram

Bodies: K20D (2), K10D, Super A, ME Super, Auto 110 SLR, X70, Optio P70
Pentax Glass: DA* 300, DA* 60-250, DA* 50-135, DA* 16-50, DA 70 Ltd, FA 31 Ltd, DA 35 Ltd, DA 18-55 (2), DA 12-24, DA 10-17, M 200, A 35-70, M 40, M 28, Converter-A 2X-S, 1.4X-S, AF 1.7, Pentax-110 50, Pentax-110 24
Other Glass: Sigma 105 macro, Sigma-A APO 75-300
Flash: Metz 58 AF-1 P, Pentax AF160FC ringflash, Pentax AF280T

Mike-P

Link Posted 09/10/2010 - 21:12
Hyram wrote:
I have not yet worked out why people think that you need an extreme wide angle for landscape work

My 12 - 24 was bought primarily for architectural photography.

I bought mine for both ... after all, you don't have to use the 12mm for landscapes.
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doingthebobs

Link Posted 09/10/2010 - 23:04
Well I have the sigma 10-20, the Samsung(pentax) 10-17 and the 10-17 gets more use to be honest but not for straight landscapes usually.

I bought a 16-45 shortly after I moved to digital and it is still the most used lens I have. Great for landscape, architecture and so much more. Best value lens I have, without doubt.

As Stefan said, the extra 2mm from the kit lens makes a big difference.
Bob

Dangermouse

Link Posted 09/10/2010 - 23:11
Hyram wrote:
I have not yet worked out why people think that you need an extreme wide angle for landscape work

My 12 - 24 was bought primarily for architectural photography.

I use a 28mm prime and stitching software. Providing you pan carefully the results are very acceptable, with none of the distortion ultra wide angle lenses can suffer from.

If you're after a fisheye then how about the Samyang 8mm? Sample images look pretty decent, well worth 200 or so IMO.
Matt

Shooting the Welsh Wilderness with K-m, KX, MX, ME Super and assorted lenses.

Smeggypants

Link Posted 10/10/2010 - 03:00
I have a 10-17 fish eye. Best fun lens I ever bought. You won't regret it. No good if you're looking for perspective accuracy though. but obviously that's not it's point.
[i]Bodies: 1x K-5IIs, 2x K-5, Sony TX-5, Nokia 808
Lenses: Pentax DA 10-17mm ED(IF) Fish Eye, Pentax DA 14mm f/2.8, Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8, Pentax-A 28mm f/2.8, Sigma 30mm F1.4 EX DC, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.2, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-FA 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.7, Pentax DA* 50-135mm f/2.8, Sigma 135-400mm APO DG, and more ..
Flash: AF-540FGZ, Vivitar 283
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