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Not likely to make a new Pentax purchase this weekend. No Special offers !!!

stub
Posted 28/05/2018 - 12:39 Link
As my inbox has been inundated with offers from photography manufacturers and stores, throughout the country this weekend. Of every brand except Pentax.


As Im also looking to renew my K1. I am also concerned that every outlet seems to sell at exactly the same price...! What happened to free market trading..?
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stub
Posted 28/05/2018 - 20:01 Link
Thanks for the info Jak. I wasn't just refering to me, but to Pentax the institution.as a whole. Not exactly trying to stimulate the market.
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Edited by stub: 28/05/2018 - 20:02
richandfleur
Posted 29/05/2018 - 04:30 Link
stub wrote:
Thanks for the info Jak. I wasn't just refering to me, but to Pentax the institution.as a whole. Not exactly trying to stimulate the market.

Careful, the Pentax faithful won't like this thread


Fully agree though, it's getting seriously difficult to actually purchase Pentax equipment, especially if you want to physically hold it in your hand prior to purchasing.

Pentax has done really well at keeping going, I mean the Pentax is doomed comments have been around for years, but honestly they're not making it easy to purchase their gear. I can walk into several local stores, be they local camera shops or big national chain stores, and purchase nearly every other brand of camera, but not Pentax. New buyers are going to have to go well out of their way to purchase Pentax gear.
roberrl
Posted 29/05/2018 - 15:54 Link
To be fair my inbox did have one e-mail from SRS offering many refurbished Pentax products at good prices.

Lots of bargain offers can mean overstocks and thin margins
johnha
Posted 29/05/2018 - 18:25 Link
I've seen the refurbished offers, some good savings, depending on what 'refurbished' means, but have decided not to buy a K-1*. The price-hikes shortly before a load of offers, then a bunch of much lower prices springing up on various on-line only retailers, then back to full-whack-plus just seems like a lottery. No wonder some low-volume off-line retailers don't want to know - they're likely to have bought expensive stock only to find prices plummeting.

Such pricing variations must be down to the manufacturer/distributer as the retailers claim to make no margin and therefore can't suddenly offer significant discounts across the range.

* Another reason is that I've been adding to my P6x7 system which is much more satisfying to shoot.
davidstorm
Posted 29/05/2018 - 18:38 Link
It's not difficult to buy a Pentax at all, there are numerous online options. Also, if you buy online you are protected by the Distance Sales regulations, so no risk and you can 'hold it in your hand' for up to 14 days and return it for a full refund if you don't like it. As long as Pentax don't go out of business, I prefer them not to waste money on marketing.

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neil90
Posted 11/06/2018 - 23:24 Link
Are Pentax just to expensive?
I have recently purchase a K3ii.
Currys are offering Nikon / Canon 24M cameras at 300-400, their Sony comes with a lens, top LCD and on camera stabilization at 500.
OK I have a few Pentax lenses and flashes which would be costly to replace, but if and when I next upgrade I shall be looking a bit more widely.
Is video required on a DSLR? How many people actually use it? Would it make sense for manufacturers (Pentax) to offer a lower cost camera body without it?
Posted 12/06/2018 - 00:36 Link
neil90 wrote:
Are Pentax just to expensive?
I have recently purchase a K3ii.
Currys are offering Nikon / Canon 24M cameras at 300-400, their Sony comes with a lens, top LCD and on camera stabilization at 500.
OK I have a few Pentax lenses and flashes which would be costly to replace, but if and when I next upgrade I shall be looking a bit more widely.
Is video required on a DSLR? How many people actually use it? Would it make sense for manufacturers (Pentax) to offer a lower cost camera body without it?

Currys are having a sale.
The only Nikon camera i saw at the spec you mentioned was the 3400d.
Maybe you can give the model numbers of other makes.

The Pentax k70 body only is available at 509.00.

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richandfleur
Posted 12/06/2018 - 03:06 Link
neil90 wrote:

Is video required on a DSLR? How many people actually use it? Would it make sense for manufacturers (Pentax) to offer a lower cost camera body without it?

Video has been on DSLR's for 10 years now, and it fundamentally uses the same hardware as a stills only camera.

I fail to see where the savings are coming from by not including the video mode, given the changes are mostly software.
roberrl
Posted 12/06/2018 - 07:40 Link
I think the problem lies with the speed of the processor in the camera. You're right that software changes would be needed but that only works if the the processor can execute the software fast enough to keep up with the frame rate. I haven't examined this recently but frame by frame analysis of many videos I shot with K-01 showed that every so often frames were missed or duplicated. I think the poor buffering and slow autofocus also suggest that the camera does not process the necessary information fast enough to allow for improvement.
Of course every increase in the number of pixels on the sensor adds to the processing necessary to handle each picture and hence a need for a faster processor - I'm not sure we've seen that as the Pentax range has developed.
In short a faster processor would have benefits for almost every user, not just those of us who would like better video capability.
RobL
Posted 12/06/2018 - 07:42 Link
neil90 wrote:
Are Pentax just to expensive?
I have recently purchase a K3ii.
Currys are offering Nikon / Canon 24M cameras at 300-400, their Sony comes with a lens, top LCD and on camera stabilization at 500.
OK I have a few Pentax lenses and flashes which would be costly to replace, but if and when I next upgrade I shall be looking a bit more widely.
Is video required on a DSLR? How many people actually use it? Would it make sense for manufacturers (Pentax) to offer a lower cost camera body without it?

The cheaper Nikon DSLRs have a mirror set-up for the viewfinder which reduces the field of view and requires expensive cleaning service, also unlikely to be WR. All Pentax bodies have WR, have a pentaprism with nearly 100% view like the more expensive bodies from elsewhere. The entry level Nikons and Canons are priced and constructed just to draw you into the brand, maybe as a Christmas present or whatever. If buying just pick them up and compare first, I was put off by the cheap plasticky feel of a basic Nikon which is why I took home a Pentax K50 instead.
tyronet2000
Posted 12/06/2018 - 11:46 Link
Was thinking of "down weighting" but changing camera brand now would mean at least one new lens and to be honest how much longer will I be taking photographs? Almost bit the bullet and bought a lightly used K-1 but by the time I'd made my mind up all the K-1 had disappeared. Someone suggested the company may have sent them for update to resell as refurbished. Since then changed the car so kitty empty again
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ilovesaabs
Posted 12/06/2018 - 13:26 Link
theonenadeem wrote:
neil90 wrote:
Are Pentax just to expensive?
I have recently purchase a K3ii.
Currys are offering Nikon / Canon 24M cameras at 300-400, their Sony comes with a lens, top LCD and on camera stabilization at 500.
OK I have a few Pentax lenses and flashes which would be costly to replace, but if and when I next upgrade I shall be looking a bit more widely.
Is video required on a DSLR? How many people actually use it? Would it make sense for manufacturers (Pentax) to offer a lower cost camera body without it?

Currys are having a sale.
The only Nikon camera i saw at the spec you mentioned was the 3400d.
Maybe you can give the model numbers of other makes.

The Pentax k70 body only is available at 509.00.

Regards

Pentax has no model comparable with the cheapest Nikon or Canon, thankfully. All the different permutations in Canon world now make it difficult to fathom which is the cheapest model, and then the sequence up to 7D2 is extremely muddled. Don't forget top spec Nikon and Canon APS-C DSLRs are only 20-21MP
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Edited by ilovesaabs: 12/06/2018 - 13:27
Aitch53
Posted 12/06/2018 - 14:17 Link
ilovesaabs wrote:

Pentax has no model comparable with the cheapest Nikon or Canon, thankfully. All the different permutations in Canon world now make it difficult to fathom which is the cheapest model, and then the sequence up to 7D2 is extremely muddled. Don't forget top spec Nikon and Canon APS-C DSLRs are only 20-21MP

Pentax also has no advertising, dedicated magazines or visible presence out in the world where most people live. People who, if they want a step up camerawise for their offspring or fancy trying out this photography lark without paying too much, reach for the Argos catalogue or stroll down to their nearest Curry's/PC-World.

You can shout all you want about how superior Pentaxes are, but if nobody is listening apart from other members of the echo-chamber, Pentax are just going to continue to be an also-ran.

Maybe they are aiming to be an elite brand, with only the select few using their superior product. Though they are going to have to improve their customer service and fix problems rather than letting them continue from model to model, as detailed in other threads, if they want to do that.

Or maybe Ricoh are just waiting for all the oldies who use their kit to die off, so they can kill the brand.
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