New member pondering a new Pentax camera?


RobL

Link Posted 11/04/2016 - 16:42
[/quote]You didn't answer my question about the AE linked to AF choice .... [quote]

By the time I would have sorted that one out the subject would have long flown, gone to sleep or whatever...
Last Edited by RobL on 11/04/2016 - 16:43

johnriley

Link Posted 11/04/2016 - 16:43
Nigel, you're assuming it's something you'd want to constantly be changing, whereas it's simply a basic choice as to how you would like the camera to work. Once set it will remain set because that's the way of basic working you want.

All the possible parameters in a camera merely set up how you want the camera to operate, not choices that you make in a shot-by-shot decision making process.
Best regards, John

McGregNi

Link Posted 11/04/2016 - 17:04
Makes sense, I see that. Perhaps you might make an adjustment for some ongoing, particular project or event say, if the change suited that situation, but some things are 'set and forget', as we say.

In any case, the high end models tend to come with a lot of additional choices lumped in all together. There real question is, assuming we know what choices we need to make, will we gain something valuable and tangible from our cameras performance above and beyond another who does not understand it all but rather just ' works with what he's got' (as we say ).
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Last Edited by McGregNi on 11/04/2016 - 17:06

johnriley

Link Posted 11/04/2016 - 17:25
The tangible benefit will just be in the phrase Nigel uses - knowing what choices we need to make. That's part of learning about photography and it takes a while.
Best regards, John

McGregNi

Link Posted 11/04/2016 - 17:58
Yes, absolutely .... so then, we really should be aiming to learn a lot about photography before buying a K7/K5/K3/K1 etc .... But we shouldn't worry so much if we were choosing a K30/K50/K-S1/K-S2 etc ......
My Guides to the Pentax Digital Camera Flash Lighting System : Download here from the PentaxForums Homepage Article .... link
Pentax K7 with BG-4 Grip / Samyang 14mm f2.8 ED AS IF UMC / DA18-55mm f3.5-5.6 AL WR / SMC A28mm f2.8 / D FA 28-105mm / SMC F35-70 f3.5-4.5 / SMC A50mm f1.7 / Tamron AF70-300mm f4-5.6 Di LD macro / SMC M75-150mm f4.0 / Tamron Adaptall (CT-135) 135mm f2.8 / Asahi Takumar-A 2X tele-converter / Pentax AF-540FGZ (I & II) Flashes / Cactus RF60/X Flashes & V6/V6II Transceiver
Last Edited by McGregNi on 11/04/2016 - 17:59

johnriley

Link Posted 11/04/2016 - 18:35
Forgive me for saying that's very odd logic Nigel......I don't think you can really believe that!

The factors for camera choice are most likely to revolve around size, weight, features offered for our purpose. And price of course. I'm sure we all try to improve regardless of the camera we choose. It's the photographer that makes the image, not the camera.
Best regards, John

McGregNi

Link Posted 11/04/2016 - 18:50
Well, I never did very well before I got a camera ....

You're right about what are the common assessments made, and what people think about. But should there be in fact more consideration of the experience and knowledge factors? Can a camera actually be 'too much' though for a particular photographer, and if they chose it could it in fact work against them, and not for them?

There was a member earlier who said he left his K3 gathering dust, and used a lessor model in preference .... Why could that be?
My Guides to the Pentax Digital Camera Flash Lighting System : Download here from the PentaxForums Homepage Article .... link
Pentax K7 with BG-4 Grip / Samyang 14mm f2.8 ED AS IF UMC / DA18-55mm f3.5-5.6 AL WR / SMC A28mm f2.8 / D FA 28-105mm / SMC F35-70 f3.5-4.5 / SMC A50mm f1.7 / Tamron AF70-300mm f4-5.6 Di LD macro / SMC M75-150mm f4.0 / Tamron Adaptall (CT-135) 135mm f2.8 / Asahi Takumar-A 2X tele-converter / Pentax AF-540FGZ (I & II) Flashes / Cactus RF60/X Flashes & V6/V6II Transceiver
Last Edited by McGregNi on 11/04/2016 - 18:56

jemx99

Link Posted 11/04/2016 - 19:58
I've got link AE to AF points switched off but I do sometimes lock exposure with AE-L button.

The thing with the Codes is it would still get you to your destination!

Think this topic really is flogged to death!

McGregNi

Link Posted 11/04/2016 - 21:15
I suppose you're right .... Now come on everyone, I'm thinking of getting a long zoom lens to photograph birds or airshows .... Has anyone got any ideas about what I should use? I was thinking maybe a Sigma, or Tamron, or what about a Pentax, would that be better .... .....
My Guides to the Pentax Digital Camera Flash Lighting System : Download here from the PentaxForums Homepage Article .... link
Pentax K7 with BG-4 Grip / Samyang 14mm f2.8 ED AS IF UMC / DA18-55mm f3.5-5.6 AL WR / SMC A28mm f2.8 / D FA 28-105mm / SMC F35-70 f3.5-4.5 / SMC A50mm f1.7 / Tamron AF70-300mm f4-5.6 Di LD macro / SMC M75-150mm f4.0 / Tamron Adaptall (CT-135) 135mm f2.8 / Asahi Takumar-A 2X tele-converter / Pentax AF-540FGZ (I & II) Flashes / Cactus RF60/X Flashes & V6/V6II Transceiver

richandfleur

Link Posted 11/04/2016 - 21:42
No one is making a fully manual DSLR these days, so car comparison wise, all vehicles are automatics, and some have that tip tronic option if you want more manual control. Even the K-3 has a fully Auto mode.

I personally don't think there is much of a difference software wise between the two ranges, so I'm not seeing many more features on the K-3 that I don't have on the K-30/K-S1, just everything is easier to get to on the K-3 and is faster. ie FPS of say 8 vs 6, fastest shutter speed of 1/8000 vs 1/6000, burst buffer of 22RAW/60JPEG vs 8/30 etc and then hardware differences from the K-3 such as no mic in, no grip, no meter or autofocus mode physical switches etc.

So, my angle is there's not a lot functionality wise that's different, but they're built to have access to the settings quicker, be better at everything they do, be more robust with more metal and less plastic etc. But from a user perspective, they're very very similar in terms of having to know how to set them up. There's very little menu setting wise that's different between the ranges, which is kinda the appeal of Pentax, in that you can be thrown a camera, be it a K-30, K-3, K-1, 645Z and be instantly familiar with much of it's operation.

jemx99

Link Posted 11/04/2016 - 22:03
jemx99 wrote:


The thing with the 'Codes' is it would still get you to your destination!


Meant to say Corsa - stupid predictive text

McGregNi

Link Posted 12/04/2016 - 09:49
Yes, you had me there, wracking my brain trying to remember those mysterious codes that can unlock the deepest secrets to the finest, most intricate camera controls ! I gave up assuming it must have something to do with Tan and triangles ....

Richard, I hear those points about the actual custom options and set-ups being similar throughout the range. However, how then can we explain the not infrequent reports we get from people who find more success with the older/simpler models (eg prefer K20D to K5, or prefer K50 to K3 ...?
My Guides to the Pentax Digital Camera Flash Lighting System : Download here from the PentaxForums Homepage Article .... link
Pentax K7 with BG-4 Grip / Samyang 14mm f2.8 ED AS IF UMC / DA18-55mm f3.5-5.6 AL WR / SMC A28mm f2.8 / D FA 28-105mm / SMC F35-70 f3.5-4.5 / SMC A50mm f1.7 / Tamron AF70-300mm f4-5.6 Di LD macro / SMC M75-150mm f4.0 / Tamron Adaptall (CT-135) 135mm f2.8 / Asahi Takumar-A 2X tele-converter / Pentax AF-540FGZ (I & II) Flashes / Cactus RF60/X Flashes & V6/V6II Transceiver

richandfleur

Link Posted 12/04/2016 - 09:52
No idea mate, we're all different.

microlight2010

Link Posted 12/04/2016 - 11:44
Good grief, Nigel, have you been drinking too much coffee?

I agree with Rich, it's probably more about the 'peripherals' and their robustness/accessibility rather than the feature set itself. After all, scene modes are pre-sets for what you might set manually, so they're almost like unmodifiable user modes.

Speaking of which, it never occurred to me that the lack of a physical SR switch could have been intentionally something to do with the setting of this function in the user modes. You learn something all the time.
K-3II - HD DA20-40 Limited, HD DA55-300PLM, SMC DA10-17 Fishy, AF201FG Flashy

McGregNi

Link Posted 12/04/2016 - 12:11
microlight2010 wrote:
Good grief, Nigel, have you been drinking too much coffee?

Well I thought the forum could do with a few shots !
My Guides to the Pentax Digital Camera Flash Lighting System : Download here from the PentaxForums Homepage Article .... link
Pentax K7 with BG-4 Grip / Samyang 14mm f2.8 ED AS IF UMC / DA18-55mm f3.5-5.6 AL WR / SMC A28mm f2.8 / D FA 28-105mm / SMC F35-70 f3.5-4.5 / SMC A50mm f1.7 / Tamron AF70-300mm f4-5.6 Di LD macro / SMC M75-150mm f4.0 / Tamron Adaptall (CT-135) 135mm f2.8 / Asahi Takumar-A 2X tele-converter / Pentax AF-540FGZ (I & II) Flashes / Cactus RF60/X Flashes & V6/V6II Transceiver
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