Natural History Museum and Ice Rink


Gajan

Link Posted 27/12/2013 - 17:24
This is my first photo which I am sharing on this forum. I was out last week toying with my new K5 and 18 -135 WR lens, it was an overcast day with some sunny spells. It was taken with Manual Exposure, ISO 400, 1/125sec and F8 and then performed some post processing.

Any C&C would be appreciated.

Best Regards,
Gajan



Best Regards,

Gajan

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davidstorm

Link Posted 27/12/2013 - 17:31
Hi Gajan

Not a bad one for your first upload! Exposure looks good and it is nice and sharp. The only constructive comment I have is that I struggle to see a particular focal point in the image, i.e. my eye is not sure where to settle first and where the image leads the eye after that. This is more of a compositional comment, but is also influenced by the aperture chosen for the shot, as everything in this image is in focus. Sometimes it's better for the main subject to be in focus and other elements to be out of focus, for example here you could have used a tighter framing and focussed in on one of the skaters, using a wide aperture. This would have given the shot more interest.

Hope this is of some help!

Regards
David
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Last Edited by davidstorm on 27/12/2013 - 17:41

RalphHardwick

Link Posted 27/12/2013 - 18:11
I think that this is a lovely image, with a great spread of colour, although I would agree with David's comments about the key focal point. To me the 'verticals' are slightly off. Personally I would have placed the main building 1/3 from the right (removing the distracting roofline of the modern building) and straightened the vertical of the nearest corner.

This would make the old building the key focus with the fading perspective of the building side giving the image some depth.

However it's still a nice image
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Gajan

Link Posted 27/12/2013 - 20:29
David and Ralph, thank you very much for your comments. I agree what you both have pointed out and I will try to improve on compositing or framing of the subjects.

Here I felt that the majestic museum building to be the main subject as well as being a backdrop to the modern and jubilant subjects in the foreground .

Best Regards,
Gajan
Best Regards,

Gajan

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Pentax K-5, Pentax 18-135 mm f/3.5-5.6 ED AL IF DC WR, Pentax DA 55-300mm F4-5.8 ED WR
Pentax K100D Super, SMC Pentax 3.6-:5.4 18-55mm AL

davidstorm

Link Posted 28/12/2013 - 01:04
Gajan wrote:
David and Ralph, thank you very much for your comments. I agree what you both have pointed out and I will try to improve on compositing or framing of the subjects.

Here I felt that the majestic museum building to be the main subject as well as being a backdrop to the modern and jubilant subjects in the foreground .

Best Regards,
Gajan

There's nothing wrong with that Gajan, we all 'see' images differently and once you've posted a few on here you will find that out very quickly! What I said only represents my personal opinion, which I am certain will be disagreed with by some and agreed with by others!

The only other thing I would say is that if your intention was to show the main subject in the background (the building), but include the foreground subjects as additional interest (skaters) then you would have been better taking a few steps back so that the foreground subjects were fully in view rather than being cut off at the knees. The fact that they are not fully included tends to unsettle my eye a little.

Of course, I wasn't there and I don't know if you could have stepped back at all, so please excuse if I'm writing rubbish!

Regards
David
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K10D

Link Posted 28/12/2013 - 09:28
I'm drawn to the building due to the detail you've captured. It is one of those images that does not need a focal point. There's plenty going on in the image to keep ones attention.

Certainly have a look at others images but shoot your own. You do have a style and it will show through with more shots. Then consider if you prefer your style or a given rule set.

I'm not saying ignore the rules though but find yourself first.

Best regards

CMW

Link Posted 28/12/2013 - 10:14
It's a wonderful building and you've captured it with the light playing on its south face. The skaters locate the season and are a good foreground. But I agree with the comment above: you need to restore the building to perpendicular. You will lose some width in doing so, but that shouldn't matter. I also agree that it would have been better to try to capture the full length of the skaters. If you cropped the sides, as correcting perspective will do (or had shot in portrait format), you might find yourself with a tighter composition. All these things will work themselves out through experimentation -- unlike film, there's no expense with digital in taking numerous different shots and discovering which arrangement pleases you best. In time, instinct will take over.
Regards, Christopher

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McGregNi

Link Posted 28/12/2013 - 14:27
You may be stuck with the converging verticals with this one, as the cropping required may be too much ... I'm thinking of the very top, where you wouldn't want to lose part of the roof.

It may depend on the software though ... I use Helicon Filter for this type of correction which has a useful feature to 'fill in' and it creates extra picture data mirrored from the very edges as you increase the correction. You still need to crop of course but depending on the subject this process can give you valuable extra space.
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Last Edited by McGregNi on 28/12/2013 - 14:29

Gajan

Link Posted 28/12/2013 - 15:22
Thank you all for your creative comments.

Below are some with vertical adjustments and crops.

1. Vertical adjustment with some crop to the top and right



2. Vertical adjustment with cropping out the skaters and much of modern building



3. Vertical adjustment with just the museum building



I know the vertical adjustment is not perfect, but doing so chops the roof of the building (as McGregNi pointed out) which I am not happy with.

Best Regards,
Gajan
Best Regards,

Gajan

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Pentax K-1, Pentax HD D-FA 28-105mm F3.5-5.6 ED DC WR, Pentax FA 77mm 1.8 Limited, Pentax-D FA 100mm f/2.8 Macro WR
Pentax K-5, Pentax 18-135 mm f/3.5-5.6 ED AL IF DC WR, Pentax DA 55-300mm F4-5.8 ED WR
Pentax K100D Super, SMC Pentax 3.6-:5.4 18-55mm AL
Last Edited by Gajan on 28/12/2013 - 15:26

CMW

Link Posted 28/12/2013 - 18:18
There's a limit to what you can do with this particular shot, though I think it should still be possible to get the building upright without losing the roof. I don't know what software you have, but you could (eg) download ShiftN (http://www.shiftn.de/), which is free, and you'll be able to see what's possible. You may have to go beyond the program's automatic function.
Regards, Christopher

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