My first Prime for DSLR - DA 50mm, 35mm or ?


AndrewA

Link Posted 07/01/2013 - 19:50
LennyBloke wrote:
...or how about the DA35 Macro Limited - a superb all-rounder with the benefit of Macro and Limited quality build. I haven't seem too many around second hand lately, but IMO they are great value. SRS are around £350 new, used they can be had for £250-£275

Great lens this, I have been really impressed with it. I had the other 2.4 version and it felt a bit cheap but was very sharp too.
Andrew

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Evel79

Link Posted 07/01/2013 - 20:09
Good luck with your decision. If you find yourself in the market for a 50mm f1.4, I'm selling mine, great condition. Feel free to PM me.

Not an easy decision though, good luck!

Ian

SteveEveritt

Link Posted 07/01/2013 - 20:13
DA35 2.4 +1
What an awesome little lens, it's really light almost to the point of flimsy (compared to most Pentax kit) and then you pop it on your camera and once calibrated (+10) on my K-7 it is amazingly sharp and produces wonderful true colours. a fab little lens at a sensible price. Shame Pentax didn't release the 50mm f1.8 in the same price structure.
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Smeggypants

Link Posted 07/01/2013 - 20:19
Sigma 30/1.4 - very tidy
[i]Bodies: 1x K-5IIs, 2x K-5, Sony TX-5, Nokia 808
Lenses: Pentax DA 10-17mm ED(IF) Fish Eye, Pentax DA 14mm f/2.8, Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8, Pentax-A 28mm f/2.8, Sigma 30mm F1.4 EX DC, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.2, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-FA 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.7, Pentax DA* 50-135mm f/2.8, Sigma 135-400mm APO DG, and more ..
Flash: AF-540FGZ, Vivitar 283

Mal

Link Posted 07/01/2013 - 20:25
Smeggypants wrote:
Sigma 30/1.4 - very tidy

Hope so just ordered one

andrewk

Link Posted 07/01/2013 - 20:28
Just a thought - but are the 30/35/40mm primes really much better than the 16-45mm zoom at the same focal length? I haven't looked too hard, but haven't been able to locate any tests that substantiate the notion that it's worth shelling out for one.

Andrew
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Evel79

Link Posted 07/01/2013 - 20:28
The new 35mm DG?

Interesting to see how that will fare against some of the Pentax faithful? What is it though, £800?

Frogfish

Link Posted 07/01/2013 - 20:34
Mal wrote:
Smeggypants wrote:
Sigma 30/1.4 - very tidy

Hope so just ordered one

Excellent lens.
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Mal

Link Posted 07/01/2013 - 20:41
Frogfish wrote:
Mal wrote:
Quote:
Sigma 30/1.4 - very tidy

Hope so just ordered one

Excellent lens.

Lots of bad reviews with people getting bad copies when it was first released and of course these bad copies are still being sold on the second hand market keeping the bad reviews going , but new copies are supposed to be excellent , its a bargain i couldn't miss

Stuey

Link Posted 07/01/2013 - 21:11
I have a cunning plan - why not spend a day with your 16-45 set only to each focal length (or as near as you can) to the ones you are considering and then decide which suits you best then pick the best lens to suit you

Personally I prefer primes to zooms but there are so many arguemnts for and against what suits you will depend on you and not me etc

I like using my sigma 50mm as a walk around as well as my old Vivitar 28mm mf lens but sometimes the kit lens or Sigma 70-300 gets used - all depends on my mood and expected subject matter
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Smeggypants

Link Posted 08/01/2013 - 03:43
Mal wrote:
Frogfish wrote:
Quote:
Smeggypants wrote:
Sigma 30/1.4 - very tidy

Hope so just ordered one

Excellent lens.

Lots of bad reviews with people getting bad copies when it was first released and of course these bad copies are still being sold on the second hand market keeping the bad reviews going , but new copies are supposed to be excellent , its a bargain i couldn't miss



I keep mine welded to 1.4 most of the time. That's why I bought it, for narrow DOF shots.


The 30/1.4 is sensibly optimised to be sharp in the centre at the 'expense' of softer edges wide open. Sensible becuase you don't need ultra sharpness to capture bokeh, but this design did get some bad mumblings from those forum pundits who judge a lens on graphs.

The sigma 30/1.4 has character and depth. Love it to bits. Only my Pentax A 50/1.2 is loved more.

I so wish Pentax would make a 30/1.2
[i]Bodies: 1x K-5IIs, 2x K-5, Sony TX-5, Nokia 808
Lenses: Pentax DA 10-17mm ED(IF) Fish Eye, Pentax DA 14mm f/2.8, Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8, Pentax-A 28mm f/2.8, Sigma 30mm F1.4 EX DC, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.2, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-FA 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.7, Pentax DA* 50-135mm f/2.8, Sigma 135-400mm APO DG, and more ..
Flash: AF-540FGZ, Vivitar 283

Smeggypants

Link Posted 08/01/2013 - 03:58
andrewk wrote:
Just a thought - but are the 30/35/40mm primes really much better than the 16-45mm zoom at the same focal length? I haven't looked too hard, but haven't been able to locate any tests that substantiate the notion that it's worth shelling out for one.

Andrew

Tests? Why not look at pictures taken with them. Anyway you're not going to find a zoom like the Siggy 30/1.4 or like

A couple of years ago I went through a phase of collecting Pentax A lenses. Some of which I rarely use, but when I do they make a refreshing change. For example over Christmas at Mum's I took a few shots with my A28/2.8. Got home and was editing the pics in Lightroom and although I'd forgotten which lens I'd used for which shots these pics popped out. That lens only cost me £40.

Different lenses exhibit characters that no tests can quantify. The US Pentax forum has a lens club index which is invaluable in seeing the characters of varios pentax mount lenses

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/86170-lens-club-in...
[i]Bodies: 1x K-5IIs, 2x K-5, Sony TX-5, Nokia 808
Lenses: Pentax DA 10-17mm ED(IF) Fish Eye, Pentax DA 14mm f/2.8, Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8, Pentax-A 28mm f/2.8, Sigma 30mm F1.4 EX DC, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.2, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-FA 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.7, Pentax DA* 50-135mm f/2.8, Sigma 135-400mm APO DG, and more ..
Flash: AF-540FGZ, Vivitar 283

gartmore

Link Posted 08/01/2013 - 08:38
andrewk wrote:
Just a thought - but are the 30/35/40mm primes really much better than the 16-45mm zoom at the same focal length? I haven't looked too hard, but haven't been able to locate any tests that substantiate the notion that it's worth shelling out for one.

Andrew

noticeably better
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Last Edited by gartmore on 08/01/2013 - 08:38

andrewk

Link Posted 08/01/2013 - 09:27
Smeggypants wrote:
Tests? Why not look at pictures taken with them.

Yes, that is what I meant - comparisons of photos taken with the two lenses.

If you have samples of the same photo taken with the 16-45mm and one of the primes (sharp, in focus, same settings) that clearly shows the difference, please post them.

Andrew
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DrOrloff

Link Posted 08/01/2013 - 09:35
But it's about much more than that anyway. The 16-45 is quite a bulky lens and f4. A prime just has a completely different feel, takes you into a different mode of viewing and you have faster options for different situations and types of image.

My two favourite primes in that range are the K35f3.5 and the FA43Ltd. Image quality is a quantum leap from the 16-45 although I no longer have that lens to provide examples.

Depending on walkabout subjects there is a good choice of manual lenses to consider too.
You can see some of my photos here if you are so inclined
Last Edited by DrOrloff on 08/01/2013 - 09:35
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