K-3ii upgrade to K-3iii


theonenadeem

Link Posted 12/09/2019 - 23:33
I think the video specs will improve once Pentax bring out a M/L camera.
They have provided head autofocus in live view for a number of years . I am sure they can easily add this feature to an EVF ,should they release a M/L.

Don. hang onto your Pentax glass , their may be use for it.

pschlute

Link Posted 12/09/2019 - 23:50
theonenadeem wrote:
I think the video specs will improve once Pentax bring out a M/L camera.
They have provided head autofocus in live view for a number of years . I am sure they can easily add this feature to an EVF ,should they release a M/L.

Don. hang onto your Pentax glass , their may be use for it.

No disrespect but you have no clue whether Pentax will bring out a mirrorless camera or not ??
Peter



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richandfleur

Link Posted 13/09/2019 - 00:37
We're all Pentax Users, that's the name of the site. We don't all have to have the same opinions. The snarky response to any suggestion of change does not lead to a particularly nice forum environment, so I'll step out of these discussions for a while.

Right now the customer base seems split into two camps, one that's completely happy with what they have and one that wants to see development into other areas. I don't know why those who are satisfied already are lurking on threads about new models and what features other Pentax Users would like to see on them. We all have different use cases, and should be free to convey them in a forum (noun: a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.)

Like others who are considering leaving, or who have already left, I'm sitting on older Pentax cameras and am not being presented with new products that fit my own personal wants and needs now. These expectations have changed over time, but are not necessarily unrealistic (eg in alignment with general industry trends). I'm heavily invested in Pentax gear, and the second hand market value for this is plummeting as Pentax drifts off into obscurity (in New Zealand at least - no advertising, not in any major national stores, none stocked locally in my city, name known locally for historic film references mostly etc). Honestly do believe the K-3 (and 645 for those owners) is overdue for a replacement model and it will be interesting to see if they do present a new model, and what features it offers. I'd like to stay, and I'd also like to be able to use my great Pentax camera body and lenses for a wider variety of situations.
Last Edited by richandfleur on 13/09/2019 - 00:46

pschlute

Link Posted 13/09/2019 - 01:07
richandfleur wrote:


Right now the customer base seems split into two camps, one that's completely happy with what they have and one that wants to see development into other areas. I don't know why those who are satisfied already are lurking on threads about new models and what features other Pentax Users would like to see on them.

Richard, I do not belong to any "camp".

I am happy with the product that Pentax produces now for my photographic needs, but you are very wrong if you think that means I do not want to see Pentax develop other products.

I want Pentax to bring as many new products to market every year as is humanely possible

But i also live in the real world. I understand that Pentax, as a division of Ricoh has very limited funds. It cannot possibly satisfy all your wishlists... MF.... ML etc.... Do you actually have any idea how unprofitable the DSLR or ML or MF market is right now ? I guess not.

It may make you comfortable to label those who do not complain as luddites, but the reason we do not wish Pentax to spend umpteen amounts of money on new products is it just might mean they survive the current difficult trading conditions. Without backing of substantial funds your wishlist is a silly dream. Pentax may not survive the current troubles but I would rather see them try and consolidate what they have in the next couple of years than risk everything on trying to outsmart Canon/Sony/Nikon etc. They have neither the funds nor the financial clout to do either.
Peter



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JAK

Link Posted 13/09/2019 - 01:11
A full frame Pentax is what I wanted, and that is what I've now got. Mind I did have a v-e-r-y long wait for it! At least it was worth waiting for after all the APS-C models which appeared seemingly very regularly! Now I'm in no rush to replace it, especially at 2 grand a time. It'll last me ages. I seem to recall being told it would never be made. They were wrong.
Would I take better photos with a newer model? I can't see how!
Should Pentax go belly up there is no reason my camera should go belly up too; so until it gives up the ghost and I am unable to source a replacement for it why should I feel the need to get something else? As I said I waited long enough for this one. It'll no doubt outlive me. Pentax got tit right first time, well done Ricoh. Credit where credit is due.
John K
Last Edited by JAK on 13/09/2019 - 01:15

pschlute

Link Posted 13/09/2019 - 01:12
Richard
You are the second person to say that Pentax second hand values are declining or plummeting. That is not the situation in Europe. If you do not have a vibrant s/h market in NZ then you better swat up on the intricacies of international postage.

In fact with the currect level of the pound it is very, very easy from the UK to shift high value Pentax items on platforms such as ebay.

Is t really that difficult to sell a product from NZ into another market?
Peter



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Last Edited by pschlute on 13/09/2019 - 01:15

JAK

Link Posted 13/09/2019 - 01:19
There's a healthy second hand market for Pentax in NZ it seems:
https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/SearchResults.aspx?&cid=124&searchType=&searchS...
There's all sorts on there and I can't see that prices are plummeting as suggested!
Maybe some local contacts might help too:
https://www.facebook.com/pentaxnz/
(They're not moaning!)
John K
Last Edited by JAK on 13/09/2019 - 01:26

richandfleur

Link Posted 13/09/2019 - 02:55
JAK wrote:
There's a healthy second hand market for Pentax in NZ it seems:
There's all sorts on there and I can't see that prices are plummeting as suggested!
Maybe some local contacts might help too:
https://www.facebook.com/pentaxnz/
(They're not moaning!)

Seriously guys, keep it respectful.

One can list at whatever price they want, but that doesn't mean the interest is there and they're necessarily selling at those prices.

There are roughly 4 shops (traditional camera stores) that sell/hold Pentax stock in NZ.
After that you're into the grey market import type shop, with the warranty risks that incurs.
You can't buy Pentax at any of the national chain electronic appliance stores, where most of the public purchase cameras.

That facebook group you've linked to has had no formal posts in over 2 years, and the last user post activity was close to 3 years ago.
No one is moaning, but no one is saying anything either. What's your point really

None of the above relates to a new K-3iii camera discussion.


pschlute wrote:


Richard, I do not belong to any "camp".

Apologies, not looking to offend.



pschlute wrote:

Without backing of substantial funds your wishlist is a silly dream.

My wish list is better Tracking AF and improved video capabilities. Is that a silly dream really?
Video specifically has changed very little since 2012 when they moved to new processors and dropped real sensor SR stabilisation.
The KP saw the bitrate increased, so surely some improvement in this area should be capable by now in a new K-3iii?

RobL

Link Posted 13/09/2019 - 08:17
Richandfleur, over here at least the electrical chain stores only stock entry and low cost models from the main manufacturers, a market Pentax seems to have moved on from, so I donít think that in itself is significant. Only when you look at other brands do you realise that they excel in certain things but compared to Pentax are deficient in others.

A Ricoh executive said that they have no plans for mirrorless and are concentrating on the DSLR market and that makes some sense for APS-C and FF bodies but is the death knell for MF due to size and weight. Having pioneered the MF market with portable bodies Pentax has done nothing since and seen mirrorless bodies take their lead. The guy also said they expect a move back to DSLR from mirrorless by disaffected users and there are a few instances of that but nothing compared to the flow in the opposite direction, as we cannot all afford to keep swopping whole systems. They may be right to become more niche, but to be successful with that approach they have to be the absolute best and make DSLRs unique in some way such as reliability in all conditions. Pentaxís biggest hurdle is the perception in the photographic community that they are done for and have been trading for too long on their historic reputation. Until they can change that no one is going to buy their products no matter how good they are.

johnriley

Link Posted 13/09/2019 - 09:49
While we're being contentious, it has certainly gone against the general hype that I have found the AF systems on my K-1 and K-3II cameras to be rather better than some others that are reputed to be "the bees knees". I don't use tracking, so that may or may not be something else, but for low light focusing and focusing on small foreground subjects my Pentaxes nail it every time. As regards speed, using centre point focus the speed doesn't seem any different to anything else.

So I'm not sure what particular feature I would want in a new Pentax body that I don't have already. I am interested in new lenses, but that's probably not too surprising.
Best regards, John

Don

Link Posted 13/09/2019 - 13:31
johnriley wrote:
While we're being contentious, it has certainly gone against the general hype that I have found the AF systems on my K-1 and K-3II cameras to be rather better than some others that are reputed to be "the bees knees". I don't use tracking, so that may or may not be something else, but for low light focusing and focusing on small foreground subjects my Pentaxes nail it every time. As regards speed, using centre point focus the speed doesn't seem any different to anything else.

So I'm not sure what particular feature I would want in a new Pentax body that I don't have already. I am interested in new lenses, but that's probably not too surprising.

As you probably know, I ran my Pentax system side by side with the new Sony a7iii until I learned the new system and decided to trust it.
as of this writing...
the Sony is used for all projects video related, and interchangeably with all stills projects.
I do use the Pentax for adventure, rain and occasional 4k time-lapse videos.
in studio I've always preferred to shoot at f8 with flash and preferred f4 zooms to faster zooms... my thinking is fast primes and slow zooms is the best bang for the buck if you want a complete system.
I can attest that the sony a7III with it's cheap nifty fifty absolutely blows away the k3 with nifty fifty for focus speed and accuracy in all lighting conditions. it actually aims for the eyes of human and animals and that system is not a gimmick, it works. The k3 is no slouch, and it does a great job, more than sufficient for most people.... I'm not sure there's any need for the increased performance of the a7iii but the performance is there... I think side by side, with less experienced photographers than you and I, your average novice is gonna see a bigger yield of keepers from every round of shots esp in burst mode... they aren't trained to to compose then shoot the way us old school photogs are....
Like Wyatt Earp said...
"Fast is good, but accurate is final"
the mirrorless system is both faster and accurate...
Fired many shots. Didn't kill anything.
Last Edited by Don on 13/09/2019 - 13:36

Chrism8

Link Posted 13/09/2019 - 14:39
johnriley wrote:
While we're being contentious, it has certainly gone against the general hype that I have found the AF systems on my K-1 and K-3II cameras to be rather better than some others that are reputed to be "the bees knees". I don't use tracking, so that may or may not be something else, but for low light focusing and focusing on small foreground subjects my Pentaxes nail it every time. As regards speed, using centre point focus the speed doesn't seem any different to anything else.

I agree John, I do believe a lot comes down to the skill of the photographer, I use the same bodies as you and we share many of the same subjects and I also don't have an issue with tracking, I do use BBF when shooting fast jets and whilst I don't machine gun the jet, the pentax's gets me everything I want
Chris

www.chrismillsphotography.co.uk

" A Hangover is something that occupies the Head you neglected to use the night before".

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K1 - Sigma 85mm F1.4, Pentax 150 -450 F4.5 / 5.6, Pentax FA 24 - 70 F2.8

Sigma 100-300 F4, Samyang 14mm F2.8, Sigma 70-200 F2.8,

K5iis - Sigma 17 - 70 F2.8, Sigma 70 - 300 F3.5/F5.6, Sigma 18 - 200 F3.6 / F4.5.

Don

Link Posted 15/09/2019 - 15:35
link


like a family photo where one person gets left out of...
Fired many shots. Didn't kill anything.

theonenadeem

Link Posted 15/09/2019 - 16:13
Don wrote:
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like a family photo where one person gets left out of...

All mirrorless mounts.
Sony E mount is mentioned twice.

ronniemac

Link Posted 21/09/2019 - 02:29
It's good to see many posters are happy with their Pentax photographic equipment, but I get saddened with the negative vibe from others who share their unhappiness by wanting Pentax to be something it's not. No brand is perfect, but as has been suggested, if Pentax makes you sad, there are indeed alternatives. Or maybe we should have a special forum section for frustrated and unhappy Pentaxians.

Me, I'm happy as Larry with Pentax (and the little Ricohs). It's not brand loyalty, more just a case of enjoying Pentax because it suits my style of photography. I also like tinkering about with older lenses on new cameras, especially with IBIS. I like to photograph in the rain and wind. I like that my Pentax gear is so durable in my experience. I like most of the designs, even (actually especially) the K-01. The Q system is fantastically dinky, and enjoys my 110 system lenses. I even have an F1.0 Pentax zoom for it. On the other hand the new 50/1.4 and the 70-200 2.8 are extraordinary lenses, both fiercely sharp and yet with the most dreamy bokeh. The DA limiteds are such fun, and the FA Limiteds are divine. The cameras are masterpieces of technological engineering that no individual can entirely fathom, yet tough as old boots. Through all this hardware I have learned to enjoy light on the landscape and shadows in the city. I can freeze water cascading down a mountain or turn a river smooth as silk. I can capture the dying rays of sunlight, the extraordinary beauty of west coast light through brooding clouds, I can see a tiny flower fill a large piece of paper or glowing out of my wide TV screen. I can even follow waves till they crash on the shore, something I couldn't do with my original MX. With my Pentax I can enjoy the minuscule which my naked I would otherwise have missed. As I enter old age, thanks to my Pentax cameras and lenses, I have found the beauty that is in this world, and I'm so grateful for it.

And as if that wasn't enough, well looky here!, Pentax have just announced that a new arrival is in gestation!

I think if I didn't enjoy what Pentax offers, I would surely be tired or life itself.

So today we celebrate, and tomorrow I will go out and thoroughly appreciate a Pentax camera and lens which I have been lucky enough to come by, through putting it to use, freezing time and capturing a something that I might otherwise have never seen.

Sweet dreams!
Last Edited by ronniemac on 21/09/2019 - 02:36
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