K-3ii upgrade to K-3iii


Don

Link Posted 10/09/2019 - 16:41
johnriley wrote:
It seems that Pentax are expecting a reaction against mirrorless as people try it out and then decide that the DSLR actually has some advantages. Then a percentage may well drift back again. We shall see how it pans out.

In the meantime, there are advantages to being a smaller company and it may make it easier for Pentax to stay profitable as a specialist in DSLR.

Ultimately I expect there will be room for both.

actually... I made the switch to Sony A7III and spent a fortune on new lenses.
there's no going back now.
there's no market value for used Pentax either...
basically my old pentax gear is paperweights now, with the only upside being that my k3 can share the godox lighting I bought for the Sony, so I can still use the k3 for stills or 4k time-lapse videos on an event shoot... and my old m glass via adapter is good for video with the sony... if I need to buy a new d-slr for ANY reason in the future, it'll be a sony... even sigma has reportedly stopped making new glass for pentax.
Fired many shots. Didn't kill anything.
Last Edited by Don on 10/09/2019 - 16:42

Mike-P

Link Posted 10/09/2019 - 16:46
JAK wrote:

Pentax owners can't show interest in new lenses that aren't available!

When I wrote that i thought to myself that it could be misinterprited.

What I actually meant was that Ricoh themselves don't seem that interested in making a go of the brand.
No equipment list here but thanks for taking an interest. My Flickr

HarisF1

Link Posted 10/09/2019 - 16:47
I don't get the 'hip' vibe from Pentax so in my mind that's the reason they're lagging so far behind their competitors in the market. The products they come up with are brilliant in many ways but they really don't advertise or push them in the way that the big few can/do.

I was browsing articles looking for good slow motion cameras and I discovered the Sony RX100 range - they release new models pretty regularly and to me it seems as though people buy them in the same way they buy iPhones and gadgets. That's the power of marketing. Their RX100V has an excellent lens with low light capabilities yet they released their next model VI with more of a superzoom style lens that's slower. And still they sell very well.

theonenadeem

Link Posted 10/09/2019 - 22:07
HarisF1 wrote:
I don't get the 'hip' vibe from Pentax so in my mind that's the reason they're lagging so far behind their competitors in the market. The products they come up with are brilliant in many ways but they really don't advertise or push them in the way that the big few can/do.

I was browsing articles looking for good slow motion cameras and I discovered the Sony RX100 range - they release new models pretty regularly and to me it seems as though people buy them in the same way they buy iPhones and gadgets. That's the power of marketing. Their RX100V has an excellent lens with low light capabilities yet they released their next model VI with more of a superzoom style lens that's slower. And still they sell very well.

There are two many negative posts about Pentax cameras , even amongst Pentaxians .
People should focus on the positive side and benefits of Shooting Pentax.
The online marketing of Pentax cameras needs to improve.
I wonder what the ratio of sales between bricks and mortar / online are.

RobL

Link Posted 10/09/2019 - 23:56
I love my Pentax gear and darenít add up what it all cost, I am also a staunch supporter of the brand. However I am becoming increasingly concerned at the lack of any activity from Ricoh regarding new products. In January we had the new 11-18mm and since then two lenses have had upgrades, no sign of the 70-200 f4 nor the new DFA 85mm, nor any new bodies. I donít think any other camera manufacturer has put out so little, the 100 year anniversary is in November and we had high hopes of a major announcement but it has gone horribly quiet.

Today I looked at a Nikon Z7 and realised how much better the K1 is for usability and the sensor so near to the mount looks very vulnerable, but there were positives as well. I donít need to change as long as my K1 keeps performing but the question I have started asking myself is how long will all my expensive equipment have any sort of trade-in value? The lenses are useless on any other system. I would be happy to stay with Pentax if they show progress with new developments but there is no sign at the moment and I fear a crisis point is fast approaching. Even after revolutionising the MF market they have done nothing since and allowed other brands to steal their lead. I have reached the point where buying any new Pentax gear is on hold.

So please Pentax give me a shot in the arm, show me you are committed to making the best DSLR kit on the market as it would be with a very heavy heart that I would push it all over the counter for something else.
Last Edited by RobL on 11/09/2019 - 00:03

RobL

Link Posted 11/09/2019 - 00:09
Further to the above I have just watched the embarrassingly low budget 1 minute anniversary video. It stops with the K1 II in 2018!

JAK

Link Posted 11/09/2019 - 00:29
RobL wrote:
I love my Pentax gear and darenít add up what it all cost, I am also a staunch supporter of the brand. However I am becoming increasingly concerned at the lack of any activity from Ricoh regarding new products. In January we had the new 11-18mm and since then two lenses have had upgrades, no sign of the 70-200 f4 nor the new DFA 85mm, nor any new bodies. I donít think any other camera manufacturer has put out so little, the 100 year anniversary is this month and we had high hopes of a major announcement but it has gone horribly quiet.

I seem to have more than enough Pentax gear at the moment to keep me happy forever. I really don't need any more. I've got those focal lengths covered already and all Pentax branded!

RobL wrote:
Today I looked at a Nikon Z7 and realised how much better the K1 is for usability and the sensor so near to the mount looks very vulnerable, but there were positives as well. I donít need to change as long as my K1 keeps performing but the question I have started asking myself is how long will all my expensive equipment have any sort of trade-in value?

Perhaps there isn't anything Ricoh can add to the K-1 presently to make it worth producing another model. Do we really want another model just for the sake of it, perhaps in rainbow colours so as to be 'different'?!


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The lenses are useless on any other system.

So why do Sony and Canikon users buy them to use with adaptors?

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I would be happy to stay with Pentax if they show progress with new developments but there is no sign at the moment and I fear a crisis point is fast approaching. Even after revolutionising the MF market they have done nothing since and allowed other brands to steal their lead. I have reached the point where buying any new Pentax gear is on hold.

Perhaps you too have all you need already?

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So please Pentax give me a shot in the arm, show me you are committed to making the best DSLR kit on the market as it would be with a very heavy heart that I would push it all over the counter for something else.

Didn't you just say, "Today I looked at a Nikon Z7 and realised how much better the K1 is" ? So what do you really want?

Some folk are never satisfied; consumerism seems to be getting out of hand.
John K
Last Edited by JAK on 11/09/2019 - 00:34

JAK

Link Posted 11/09/2019 - 00:37
Don wrote:
there's no market value for used Pentax either...
basically my old pentax gear is paperweights now,

Many of the better quality old glass still seems to fetch a good price, at least here in the UK.
Very expensive for paperweights!
Demand has certainly risen since the release of the K-1. Some say it is the BEST DSLR available!
There are alternatives for those that want something different to a DSLR, albeit not Pentax. But for anyone wanting a DSLR the K-1 is a great choice.
John K
Last Edited by JAK on 11/09/2019 - 00:43

richandfleur

Link Posted 11/09/2019 - 00:37
theonenadeem wrote:

There are two many negative posts about Pentax cameras , even amongst Pentaxians .
People should focus on the positive side and benefits of Shooting Pentax.

There should be plenty of positive posts about this, if you look back far enough.
Hard to write about the positives of their modern 645Z and K-3 equivalents, because those cameras don't exist.

JAK

Link Posted 11/09/2019 - 00:45
richandfleur wrote:
theonenadeem wrote:

There are two many negative posts about Pentax cameras , even amongst Pentaxians .
People should focus on the positive side and benefits of Shooting Pentax.

There should be plenty of positive posts about this, if you look back far enough.
Hard to write about the positives of their modern 645Z and K-3 equivalents, because those cameras don't exist.

So how many 645 cameras have you purchased?
There's plenty of 645Ds around these days at really good prices and they take great photos.
I really don't believe 645D and 645Z owners are lusting for something new.
John K
Last Edited by JAK on 11/09/2019 - 00:51

Don

Link Posted 11/09/2019 - 00:51
RobL wrote:
Further to the above I have just watched the embarrassingly low budget 1 minute anniversary video. It stops with the K1 II in 2018!

other manufacturers released new cameras... what did Pentax release? a Video about thier old stuff...
Fired many shots. Didn't kill anything.

richandfleur

Link Posted 11/09/2019 - 00:53
JAK wrote:

Quote:
The lenses are useless on any other system.

So why do Sony and Canikon users buy them to use with adaptors?

Because the old Pentax glass has a really nice feel to it.
Especially in video, in which case they need to adapt these to a modern camera system that can do video well too, which rules out Pentax bodies at present.
No one is buying new Pentax lenses to adapt to Sony cameras, because there are equivalent new native and third party lenses available.

In fact Canon is doing well with their modern lenses being purchased for use on Sony, because there are quite seamless auto focus adaptors available
This approach is the most versatile, and is best for resale value of the lens at a later date, because it can be used on the two most popular mounts.


I think if one is 100% satisfied with their current Pentax equipment, then they don't really need to comment on discussions about potential development or improvement aspects.
It's not really on to say another Pentax Users wish list isn't valid, because those aspects are important to that user, even if not directly applicable to others.

I love aspects of my K-3, but there are definitely use cases that it's not particularly well suited for. I've spent a lot of time with the tracking AF setup, and whilst it has a lot of additional configuration options over say the K-30 range, it's certainly not as good as I'd like to be (especially in situations like players running towards the camera etc).

This thread is a discussion around a potential K-3iii type camera, so I don't think it's unreasonable that Pentax Users discuss features they'd like to see this camera offer.
I'm also a bit concerned for the resale and future direction of my equipment, given Pentax seems to have slowed to an absolute crawl/stand still recently. K-3 and 645Z cameras are examples of this.

Don

Link Posted 11/09/2019 - 00:56
JAK wrote:
Don wrote:
there's no market value for used Pentax either...
basically my old pentax gear is paperweights now,

Many of the better quality old glass still seems to fetch a good price, at least here in the UK.
Very expensive for paperweights!
Demand has certainly risen since the release of the K-1. Some say it is the BEST DSLR available!
There are alternatives for those that want something different to a DSLR, albeit not Pentax. But for anyone wanting a DSLR the K-1 is a great choice.

well nothing aps-c was sellable here in Canada... the good news is...
Tamrons 90 macro has lost side by side shootouts to both the sony 90 and the Pentax 100 so I found a Gobe adapter DA to E adaptor to use my da lenses on the sony a7III and won't have to sell my liver for a good macro lens.... which is good news for me because my liver, not unlike my Pentax gear, is not gonna fetch much on Ebay....
Fired many shots. Didn't kill anything.
Last Edited by Don on 11/09/2019 - 00:57

JAK

Link Posted 11/09/2019 - 01:04
As I suggested it is purely lust triggered by consumerism and threads like this one require an alternative viewpoint.
DSLRs will never be best at video, the mirror just happens to get in the way. So the camera has to go into a mirrorless mode to do video. That's always going to be second best for that purpose.
Try using a mirrorless camera as a proper TTL DSLR? It doesn't work does it? Can't be done. In that instance the mirrorless is second best.
John K

JAK

Link Posted 11/09/2019 - 01:14
Don wrote:
JAK wrote:
Quote:
there's no market value for used Pentax either...
basically my old pentax gear is paperweights now,

Many of the better quality old glass still seems to fetch a good price, at least here in the UK.
Very expensive for paperweights!
Demand has certainly risen since the release of the K-1. Some say it is the BEST DSLR available!
There are alternatives for those that want something different to a DSLR, albeit not Pentax. But for anyone wanting a DSLR the K-1 is a great choice.

well nothing aps-c was sellable here in Canada... the good news is...
Tamrons 90 macro has lost side by side shootouts to both the sony 90 and the Pentax 100 so I found a Gobe adapter DA to E adaptor to use my da lenses on the sony a7III and won't have to sell my liver for a good macro lens.... which is good news for me because my liver, not unlike my Pentax gear, is not gonna fetch much on Ebay....

There are 1970 vintage macro lenses available for very little money that provide truly excellent results. No need to disembowel your body!
People seem to think that because something is new it is better. That isn't always the case.
Anyhow I'll now leave you to commiserate together in peace!
John K
Last Edited by JAK on 11/09/2019 - 01:31
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