K-3II Now Officially Discontinued


darkskies

Link Posted 05/02/2018 - 08:59
I also use a K3 for birds, all wildlife, actually, as it affords more reach.

This set up, with a DA*300 is quite adequate for birds in flight, generally, though small fast birds are a problem. It's not a "niche" problem I can afford to solve by spending the sorts of money involved with a Nikon 400/f2.8, that's for sure.

Having said that, improved AF would help on a K-1 Mk2, and I would then think about using that for birds in flight, rather than my K3.
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theonenadeem

Link Posted 05/02/2018 - 12:27
Daronl wrote:
I love my K1 too but as my main interest is small birds in flight I stick with my K3 II (and K3) for that, (But with very limited success) and use the K1 for everything else, where it never fails to impress..

Whilst a large / medium bird in flight is do-able with the later Pentax DSLRs, in my experience it is mostly beyond any Pentax set up to achieve high success rates on small birds in flight.

If an upgrade came with a better buffer and better AF then I will try it but I am close getting to a Nikon set up with the 400 2.8 for small Birds.

A Pentax man for 50 yrs it pains me to say there is nothing available that can live with a D500 and the Nikon 400 2.8 from any manufacturer let alone Pentax.

When you consider the price of the D500 it is marvelous, particularly when mounted on the the 400 2.8 when shooting BIF.

However whilst the camera is very reasonable the lens is horrendously expensive in both the latest version and it's predecessor, so I am daily scouring the dealers for a good used lens.

In recent months I almost got one but realize there is quite a number of birders also looking for the same lens and they get snapped up almost immediately when they become available despite a decent used version of even the previous model to the latest, having a hefty four figure price tag

As regards the next Pentax FF, I am hoping Pentax will make a leap on both Buffer capability and AF with the any new FF. but it might be a stretch too far moving from the current "pro-spec" offers to a camera that match the Nikons, in one model step .

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This guy rates Pentax af highly capturing swifts.

https://youtu.be/CuGdjlVVrNo

RobL

Link Posted 05/02/2018 - 13:33
Rumourmongers on YouTube are predicting a K-3 III later this year. Also a K-1 II.

Gwyn

Link Posted 05/02/2018 - 13:46
RobL wrote:
Rumourmongers on YouTube are predicting a K-3 III later this year. Also a K-1 II.

We can but hope.

Algernon

Link Posted 05/02/2018 - 13:59
I hope they bring out a ' K-1ii Video Super' The only difference from the K-1 being it has 'State of the Art Video' facilities good enough to bury every other camera that claims to also do video.

It will create the longest moan threads on ALL Pentax forums with people grumbling that they don't want video and will never use it and will not buy the ' K-1ii Video Super' even if it is the last camera on earth

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richandfleur

Link Posted 05/02/2018 - 20:13
Algernon wrote:
I hope they bring out a ' K-1ii Video Super' The only difference from the K-1 being it has 'State of the Art Video' facilities good enough to bury every other camera that claims to also do video.

It will create the longest moan threads on ALL Pentax forums with people grumbling that they don't want video and will never use it and will not buy the ' K-1ii Video Super' even if it is the last camera on earth

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Iíd buy it.

That said, itís a whole other world that Pentax just arenít into. Thing is theyíre suffering in reviews because if it - not necessarily because they arenít the absolute best at it, but more because theyíre not even trying at video at all.

The Pentax video offering essentially hasnít changed since 2012. Thatís nearly 6 years pushing out full HD, at what are now very low bit rates for 2018. These guys were once near the front, with their offering covering all the bases in 2012, where they then took away sensor stabilisation during video, having been ahead of the game with it in the earlier models.

To even be average/ball park in 2018, something needs to change there.

Likewise in AF, wth others having the likes of eye AF now, which frankly Iíd really love to have.

Still think the K-1 upgrade path is pretty obvious, addressing the areas of lesser specs, but do think Pentax need to up their game to produce something worth upgrading to. Their current models that we own are really good, so slightly massaging up specs isnít going to be a big enough drawcard for many to buy new again.

Daronl

Link Posted 05/02/2018 - 23:07
Algernon wrote:
Hardly a fair post on a Pentax site comparing their lenses to a Nikon 400mm f/2.8 that is only affordable if you buy SECOND-HAND!!!

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Remember we are talking about cameras in the thread and the K1 cannot focus or track small birds in flight like the Nikon (fact). However in most other compatible criteria I think Pentax is the best for me.

The D500 can match that lens at £1500, the AF and tracking is up to the job as is the buffer, it is that simple

The lens is £11000 new so it is not something that I would compare to Canon, Pentax or any other maker , and whilst I might consider a good used specimen of the older version, the price of the latest version is ridiculous and makes the lens an impractical investment for all but Rock Stars and Footballers

Even if Pentax produced a lens like the Nikon 400f 2.8, which i don't think is necessary anyway, we don't have a body than can "keep up " or buffer the images quick enough .

All in All I think Pentax produce the best lenses at the price points they achieve but it is clear, better AF and Buffering capability in the camera would do justice to some of the great optics Pentax produce.

I think the 150 - 450 and some DA*s are more than adequate speed wise and definitely optically, to do a great job, if there was a Pentax camera with uprated AF and buffering;

That is a much bigger issue than lenses - Camera capability is the issue for small BIF,

As I said and have posted on numerous times, I genuinely feel Pentax make lenses which are better than most others when comparing like for like.

For the record, I too have quite a few shots of very fast small BIF taken with Pentax gear that are sharp but my hit rate is much less than 10%

The D500 captures extremely fast flying small birds regardless if they are passing at close range or flying directly towards the camera and it can do so at very fast, continuous shooting rates.

That is the only area where Nikon have a marked superiority as I see it, but that does not mean that Pentax is an inferior make, it isn't at all and frankly speaking the exotic lenses are probably huge loss makers for the manufacturers producing them, they are not a practical or affordable option for the hobbyist or indeed most of the pros and such lenses are not going to sell like hot cakes,

I have photographed birds for over 50 years and I have also had Nikon, Canon and Olympus systems but my allegiance to Pentax has never wavered and never will .

However small BIF is a very difficult pursuit and in all those years, only this latest combo from Nikon makes small BIF photography a very practical possibility for those who are interested in that branch of wildlife photography and can afford this Nikon combo without selling a an organ.

By the way if I bought a £11000 lens my wife would see to it that I would be singing soprano for the rest of my days ,
Daronl

richandfleur

Link Posted 06/02/2018 - 03:26
Daronl wrote:

However small BIF is a very difficult pursuit and in all those years, only this latest combo from Nikon makes small BIF photography a very practical possibility for those who are interested in that branch of wildlife photography and can afford this Nikon combo without selling a an organ.

I think that's a very important point, in terms of determining what Pentax's target market is.

There are niche areas, such as BIF or very high ISO sensitivity with low noise, that require very targeted capability combinations of body and lens. Users after these areas specifically will likely need to target a brand that offers a specialist solution, or make do as best they can with more general gear.

Pentax seem to be targeted towards static landscapes?
They are weather sealed, produce images with great IQ, and offer innovations such as pixel shift for high quality static scenes.

If you require a device with tracking AF, 10+fps burst rate or high quality video, then realistically Pentax may not be your best option. The struggle as I see it, is that other brands are really improving in these areas, and are producing very well rounded products.

Daronl

Link Posted 06/02/2018 - 09:33
Well said Richard, hence 99%of my photography is not BIF hence my continued appreciation and " putting my money where my mouth is" with Pentax.

The K1 is a blinder so I am very happy to have one and accept in total what you say: if I intend to really pursue small BIF going forward as a priority then I will buy the D500 with a used 400 2.8 Nikon .

If Pentax bring out a new FF soon then I will not buy it until I need it as the K1 is a marvelous camera
Daronl

darkskies

Link Posted 06/02/2018 - 09:45
richandfleur wrote:
Daronl wrote:

However small BIF is a very difficult pursuit and in all those years, only this latest combo from Nikon makes small BIF photography a very practical possibility for those who are interested in that branch of wildlife photography and can afford this Nikon combo without selling a an organ.

I think that's a very important point, in terms of determining what Pentax's target market is.

There are niche areas, such as BIF or very high ISO sensitivity with low noise, that require very targeted capability combinations of body and lens. Users after these areas specifically will likely need to target a brand that offers a specialist solution, or make do as best they can with more general gear.

Pentax seem to be targeted towards static landscapes?
They are weather sealed, produce images with great IQ, and offer innovations such as pixel shift for high quality static scenes.

If you require a device with tracking AF, 10+fps burst rate or high quality video, then realistically Pentax may not be your best option. The struggle as I see it, is that other brands are really improving in these areas, and are producing very well rounded products.

That's it, really. This sort of conversation morphed from the original post when Nigel asked why people needed f2.8 lenses rather than f4, and we wandered off into "niche" photography.

But there is a general point, and you nailed it, Rich. My combination of bodies and lenses do what I want them to do, for the most part. What I'd want for a K-1 Mk II is not necessarily what someone else would want. Having said that, there are several glaring weaknesses that we should see addressed, such as AF, buffering, and video.
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johnriley

Link Posted 06/02/2018 - 09:57
Things do change of course, but generally all marques have been getting faster and better as technology improves. Trying an *istDS now seems really quite slow in so many ways, whereas the K-1 is blisteringly responsive. No doubt this trend will continue.

The other factor is the lens, and some of the supposedly fast camera bodies can be quite slow when coupled with the wrong choice. If we really need something specific, then we will search out the make that offers the required features.

One thing for sure, there are plenty of choices competing for our cash.
Best regards, John
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RobL

Link Posted 06/02/2018 - 12:04
In many respects the Pentax bodies punch above their weight when compared to other brands, so I wonder what the response would be if the wish lists resulted in price hikes on new versions. The K-1 currently performs in certain respects as well or better than a Nikon D850 or Canon 5D IV which are 60% more expensive but what if a mark II version with mega focusing, 4K video etc cost the same? Be careful what you wish for.
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Algernon

Link Posted 06/02/2018 - 12:10
It could be that the new model is to allow a price hike. It's the only way they have to survive.

Good bird photographers such as this guy know how to use Pentax cameras properly....

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Algi
Last Edited by Algernon on 06/02/2018 - 12:11

Algernon

Link Posted 06/02/2018 - 17:25
Now that I've bought a K-1 It's just been discontinued

Seems very odd discontinuing it before releasing a K-1ii
Word will just spread that it's no longer available.

That's the K-1 not K-3ii which is also no more and hasn't got a replacement.

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Algi
Last Edited by Algernon on 06/02/2018 - 17:33

darkskies

Link Posted 06/02/2018 - 18:32
Algernon wrote:
Good bird photographers such as this guy know how to use Pentax cameras properly....

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Yes, indeed. He waits until there is very good light.
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