I'm thinking about buying a mirrorless digital camera, what do you suggest?


Kevriano

Link Posted 18/12/2017 - 17:42
malfis wrote:
Kevriano wrote:
Look at the new Canon EOS600 too. I'm honestly tempted.

The Canon EOS 600 was a DSLR released in 2011???

Yes. Meant M6
K3, K3 II, 100MM 2.8 Macro, Sigma 10-20 3.5, Sigma 17-50 2.8, Nikon D7500, Tamron 150 600 G2

petrochemist

Link Posted 18/12/2017 - 18:05
Algernon wrote:
Apart from the problem of using a lens on a camera body that it was never designed for. Lens adapters introduce other problems and aren't recommended

See: .....
https://wordpress.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/09/there-is-no-free-lunch-episode-76...

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For someone who makes his money renting lenses to those who don't have a suitable focal length in the mount they want yes adapters wouldn't be recommended.
Scanning his report I see there's not a single photo & just MTF traces showing the adapted lens isn't technically as prefect. (So what!)

I come from a very different position where I have the lenses I want to adapt (or can get them cheaply) and I might want to use them in a way that's not possible on the original mount such as with a controlled degree of tilt / with 5mm extension / with a sensor that sees different wavelengths (OK this is possible IF I get another body converted, but then I can't see to focus through the viewfinder). From my point of view / personal experience adapting lenses is highly rewarding & very much recommended. At least when done on the right body...
Mike
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Pentax:K5ii, K7, K100D, DA18-55, DA10-17, DA55-300, DA50-200, F100-300, F50, DA35 AL, 4* M50, 2* M135, Helicoid extension, Tak 300 f4 (& 6 film bodies)
3rd Party: Bigmos (Sigma 150-500mm OS HSM),2* 28mm, 100mm macro, 28-200 zoom, 35-80 zoom, 80-200 zoom, 80-210 zoom, 300mm M42, 600 mirror, 1000-4000 scope, 50mm M42, enlarger lenses, Sony & micro 4/3 cameras with various PK mounts, Zenit E...
Far to many tele-converters, adapters, project parts & extension tubes etc.

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theonenadeem

Link Posted 18/12/2017 - 18:58
Kevriano wrote:
malfis wrote:
Quote:
Look at the new Canon EOS600 too. I'm honestly tempted.

The Canon EOS 600 was a DSLR released in 2011???

Yes. Meant M6

Too many deal breakers for me

No viewfinder , or an additional £200
£99 for a bulky adapter
At over 500g its not exactly light add on the other optional this item becomes bulky
And has every battery draining feature available so add on the cost and weight of carrying an extra battery possibly 2.

Regards

Jonathan-Mac

Link Posted 19/12/2017 - 06:22
theonenadeem wrote:

So Jonathon your stating , Pentax K mount lens are more functional on mirrorles cameras than a Pentax K mount dslr.

Manual ones, yes, because a mirrorless camera can meter correctly. If Pentax DSLRs had an un-crippled K-mount then this wouldn't be the case.

I've never had problems or seen IQ problems when using adapted lenses on my mirrorless camera.

I enjoy using my old manual lenses on DSLRs, mirrorless and film SLRs and overall, on digital, I find that using them on mirrorless is easier. It does depend on the situation though. What I really wanted to convey is that using adapted lenses on a mirrorless camera is not something to shy away from for any reason - it's very easy to do and can produce great results.
Pentax hybrid user - Digital K3 & K200D, film 645 and 35mm SLR and Pentax (&other) lenses adapted to Fuji X digital
Fan of DA limited and old manual lenses

Kevriano

Link Posted 19/12/2017 - 06:59
theonenadeem wrote:
Kevriano wrote:
Quote:
Kevriano wrote:
Look at the new Canon EOS600 too. I'm honestly tempted.

The Canon EOS 600 was a DSLR released in 2011???

Yes. Meant M6

Too many deal breakers for me

No viewfinder , or an additional £200
£99 for a bulky adapter
At over 500g its not exactly light add on the other optional this item becomes bulky
And has every battery draining feature available so add on the cost and weight of carrying an extra battery possibly 2.

Regards



Interesting about the viewfinder. Most don't have from what I've seen, or have EVF at best, which I can't get on with.
K3, K3 II, 100MM 2.8 Macro, Sigma 10-20 3.5, Sigma 17-50 2.8, Nikon D7500, Tamron 150 600 G2

petrochemist

Link Posted 19/12/2017 - 15:34
Kevriano wrote:

Interesting about the viewfinder. Most don't have from what I've seen, or have EVF at best, which I can't get on with.

The earliest EVFs where quite poor, but they've improved vastly since then. Are you sure you still find them a problem?
Mike
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Pentax:K5ii, K7, K100D, DA18-55, DA10-17, DA55-300, DA50-200, F100-300, F50, DA35 AL, 4* M50, 2* M135, Helicoid extension, Tak 300 f4 (& 6 film bodies)
3rd Party: Bigmos (Sigma 150-500mm OS HSM),2* 28mm, 100mm macro, 28-200 zoom, 35-80 zoom, 80-200 zoom, 80-210 zoom, 300mm M42, 600 mirror, 1000-4000 scope, 50mm M42, enlarger lenses, Sony & micro 4/3 cameras with various PK mounts, Zenit E...
Far to many tele-converters, adapters, project parts & extension tubes etc.

.[size=11:].Flickrē WPFē Panoramio

Kevriano

Link Posted 19/12/2017 - 18:04
petrochemist wrote:
Kevriano wrote:

Interesting about the viewfinder. Most don't have from what I've seen, or have EVF at best, which I can't get on with.

The earliest EVFs where quite poor, but they've improved vastly since then. Are you sure you still find them a problem?

For me, yes. I know they are much brighter now, but I personally find the LCD screen used affects my eyes very badly.
K3, K3 II, 100MM 2.8 Macro, Sigma 10-20 3.5, Sigma 17-50 2.8, Nikon D7500, Tamron 150 600 G2

richandfleur

Link Posted 19/12/2017 - 20:48
I thought we werenít allowed to discuss other brands here? Iíve had posts removed before because they werenít about Pentax.

Mirrorless (by virtue of shallower mounting distances), are compatible with a huge range of lenses from different brands via adaptors.

I find their focus peaking and digital zoom (right in the viewfinder) excellent for legacy manual focus lenses.

I much prefer an optical viewfinder, but donít find an APS-C sized viewfinder sufficient for critical work, and really get that wow factor every time I pick up a film camera. Must need a K1

On sensor phase detect (as found in the new K-70?) means you do have access to the more reliable focussing option traditionally found in DSLRs only. These points are often across the whole image also, and not limited to the centre. Tracking AF becomes a very capable option due to this.

Video tends to be better on mirrorless devices, though Iím not really sure why. Every modern DSLR has a mirrorless mode anyway called live view.

Iím still DSLR focussed for stills, but can see the benefits of mirrorless as well. They have more in common than they have different.

theonenadeem

Link Posted 19/12/2017 - 21:19
Off topic , but is there any difference between a dslr in live vew and a mirrorles without a viewfinder?

Regards

richandfleur

Link Posted 19/12/2017 - 21:51
theonenadeem wrote:
Off topic , but is there any difference between a dslr in live vew and a mirrorles without a viewfinder?


Not off topic at all.

richandfleur wrote:
Every modern DSLR has a mirrorless mode anyway called live view.

Mirrorless cameras are very similar to DSLR's in that they have a mechanical shutter, vs say an iPhone which is all electronic.
As above, they have more in common with DSLR's than not. With a DSLR in mirrorless/live view mode, there's not a lot of difference between the two.

barkin

Link Posted 21/12/2017 - 16:23
Jonathan-Mac wrote:
theonenadeem wrote:

So Jonathon your stating , Pentax K mount lens are more functional on mirrorles cameras than a Pentax K mount dslr.

Manual ones, yes, because a mirrorless camera can meter correctly. If Pentax DSLRs had an un-crippled K-mount then this wouldn't be the case.

Anyone care to expand on this ?

Algernon

Link Posted 21/12/2017 - 17:04
t h i s o n e! . . .
Half Man... Half Pentax ... Half Cucumber

Pentax K-1 + K-5 and some other stuff

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barkin

Link Posted 26/12/2017 - 23:51
barkin wrote:
Jonathan-Mac wrote:
Quote:

So Jonathon your stating , Pentax K mount lens are more functional on mirrorles cameras than a Pentax K mount dslr.

Manual ones, yes, because a mirrorless camera can meter correctly. If Pentax DSLRs had an un-crippled K-mount then this wouldn't be the case.

Anyone care to expand on this ?

I'll take that as a "no" then ?

K10D

Link Posted 27/12/2017 - 07:44
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