Don't photograph crime ...


Gamka

Link Posted 15/09/2013 - 11:31
I took pictures of a crime last week. I was asked to provide copies to the local police station.

When I attended the police station they threatened to seize my phone which contained the images. I told them I was not willing for that to happen and would consider that theft - remove from me without my permission.

I then left - as a result they don't have the images.

What would you do? If the result was that your camera or phone would be seized and kept for months?

johnriley

Link Posted 15/09/2013 - 11:37
I would use the compact camera I always carry and let them have the SD card, after I'd kept a copy of course. In the case of a phone I'd put the images on a pen drive for them and let them have that, or e-mail them.

I can't see any reason why your helpfulness should be turned around so unhelpfully. It discourages anyone from being of assistance and just leads to nobody willingly getting involved at any level.
Best regards, John

DrOrloff

Link Posted 15/09/2013 - 11:43
I wouldn't give it to them. I would write to my MP to point out the idiocy of what you were told by the police, who should really deal with it more intelligently by offering just to retain copies of the images.
You can see some of my photos here if you are so inclined

Gamka

Link Posted 15/09/2013 - 11:49
No, they would not accept the SD card - the complete phone.

I offered transfer there and then, or email - all refused.

johnriley

Link Posted 15/09/2013 - 12:02
Then I think you've done what you can and they've turned away evidence. Very strange, perhaps something to do with being admissible or not in court?
Best regards, John

Don

Link Posted 15/09/2013 - 13:56
Gamka wrote:
I took pictures of a crime last week. I was asked to provide copies to the local police station.

When I attended the police station they threatened to seize my phone which contained the images. I told them I was not willing for that to happen and would consider that theft - remove from me without my permission.

I then left - as a result they don't have the images.

What would you do? If the result was that your camera or phone would be seized and kept for months?

everybody needs to fight for the right to phottograph the police, it is the only way to keep them honest.
Fired many shots. Didn't kill anything.

johnriley

Link Posted 15/09/2013 - 14:00
It wasn't about the right to photograph the police Don, it was about having photographed a crime and wanting to help.
Best regards, John

Don

Link Posted 15/09/2013 - 14:21
johnriley wrote:
It wasn't about the right to photograph the police Don, it was about having photographed a crime and wanting to help.

I was speaking more to the motivation of why they'd threaten to take his phone... is sounds to me like they asked him to attend the station, becuase they didn't want to be seen or video recorded on the street threatening him....
why else threaten him at all if not to intimidate him from ever doing it again?

read the title of this thread and it sounds like the tactic worked does it not?


People should feel OBLIGATED to record the police to protect civil liberties from being violated by abuses of power by police.
Fired many shots. Didn't kill anything.

johnriley

Link Posted 15/09/2013 - 14:25
All I can say with certainty Don is that's not the way I read the situation.
Best regards, John

Don

Link Posted 15/09/2013 - 14:42
johnriley wrote:
All I can say with certainty Don is that's not the way I read the situation.

yeah I can be a little off before I have had my morning pot of coffee....

seems like a chain of possession issue here, perhaps for court purposes they want to prove they got the images unedited/altered right from camera?

still worng to threaten the guy, and then have no photos.
Fired many shots. Didn't kill anything.
Last Edited by Don on 15/09/2013 - 14:44

Gamka

Link Posted 15/09/2013 - 14:52
The Police were not there and the person responsible disappeared off - he drove through a pedestrianised area at about 20M MPH forcing people out of the way. Call were made to the police emergency number and they asked me provide copies of the images to the local police station.

michaelblue

Link Posted 15/09/2013 - 15:02
Gamka wrote:
I took pictures of a crime last week. I was asked to provide copies to the local police station.

When I attended the police station they threatened to seize my phone which contained the images. I told them I was not willing for that to happen and would consider that theft - remove from me without my permission.

I then left - as a result they don't have the images.

What would you do? If the result was that your camera or phone would be seized and kept for months?

I would have done exactly what you did.
There seems to be a lack of understanding-within the police force-of their own 'Rule book'
Regards,
Michael
My new website:link

Don

Link Posted 15/09/2013 - 15:04
send the images to the news then?
Fired many shots. Didn't kill anything.

Gamka

Link Posted 15/09/2013 - 15:11
Don wrote:
send the images to the news then?

Will be talking to the local press on Monday.

Opethian

Link Posted 15/09/2013 - 20:16
Very sorry to hear that. I second writing to the MP, and talking to the local media.

Several weeks ago a colleague at work was threatened with violence of the worse kind (come at home kill people), all verbal, but my colleague was pretty shaken. This happened a couple more times and on the third time, I escorted him to the police station which was about 5 minutes away, to report a potential incident.

We were told to come back when something had happened. LOL I could not believe what I heard.

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