DA-L 35mm f2.4 announced


robbie_d

Link Posted 09/09/2010 - 14:16
MrCynical wrote:
f2.4 isn't particularly fast, especially at 35mm. Still, a slowish cheap prime is better than having no cheap prime at all, and if it's sharp (and as good looking as that preview shot) then who cares about being a stop slower than others' cheap 35mms?

Not sure what Pentax's marketing department is playing at though. They now have two completely different lenses called the "DA35 L", nice consistent message there *facepalm*

It might not be lightning fast, but I'm interested enough in this to be hesitant about ordering a DA35 Limited. Anyone know when it'll be out/available for reviews?

Do they?

This will be the DA-L 35mm AL. The only other current production 35mm is the DA 35mm Macro Limited.
If you can't say something nice about Pentax, you won't say anything at all.

Apparently.

MrCynical

Link Posted 09/09/2010 - 14:18
robbie_d wrote:
Do they?

This will be the DA-L 35mm AL. The only other current production 35mm is the DA 35mm Macro Limited.

Yep, and 'Limited' is often abbreviated 'L' (e.g. DA40L). Plus I don't doubt that DA-L35 and DA35 will be confused anyway! If they had made it 30mm it would have avoided the issue and also allowed me to justify buying both
Last Edited by MrCynical on 09/09/2010 - 14:19

Anvh

Link Posted 09/09/2010 - 14:20
If DAL 35 gets an advice price off 179 I wouldn't be surprised to she it in the stores for 149 maybe even lower.
The DA 35 Limited on the other hand is 459 a very different price range and not something beginners will buy I believe.

The DAL35 will be the modern equivalent of what the 50mm f/1.7 were in the old days.

Quote:
Not sure what Pentax's marketing department is playing at though. They now have two completely different lenses called the "DA35", nice consistent message there *facepalm*

It's DAL not DA

MrCynical wrote:
It might not be lightning fast, but I'm interested enough in this to be hesitant about ordering a DA35 Limited. Anyone know when it'll be out/available for reviews?

The limited is a very different lens, the DAL35 doesn't have the build quality, quick-shift or macro capability the DA35 Ltd has. I don't think many who have the K20D or the K7 will buy the DAL35.
Stefan


K10D, K5
DA* 16-50, DA* 50-135, D-FA 100 Macro, DA 40 Ltd, DA 18-55
AF-540FGZ

Anvh

Link Posted 09/09/2010 - 14:21
MrCynical wrote:
Yep, and 'Limited' is often abbreviated 'L' (e.g. DA40L).

Isn't it Ltd?
Stefan


K10D, K5
DA* 16-50, DA* 50-135, D-FA 100 Macro, DA 40 Ltd, DA 18-55
AF-540FGZ
Last Edited by Anvh on 09/09/2010 - 14:22

Snootchies

Link Posted 09/09/2010 - 14:31
This is a bit of a red herring - I've never seen the DA 35mmLTD referred to DAL. I can't imagine any confusion here.

I also cannot understand comments about this lens being slow. f2.4 is not slow at all.
Bob

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robbie_d

Link Posted 09/09/2010 - 14:36
MrCynical wrote:
robbie_d wrote:
Do they?

This will be the DA-L 35mm AL. The only other current production 35mm is the DA 35mm Macro Limited.

Yep, and 'Limited' is often abbreviated 'L' (e.g. DA40L). Plus I don't doubt that DA-L35 and DA35 will be confused anyway! If they had made it 30mm it would have avoided the issue and also allowed me to justify buying both

I've never seen it referred to as that. DA40Ltd maybe, but not DA40L.

I'm really not sure how DA-L 35mm 1:2.4 and DA 35mm 1:2.8 Macro Limited will be mixed up. Certainly by the time you scroll across to the price, any confusion will rapidly disappear.
If you can't say something nice about Pentax, you won't say anything at all.

Apparently.

robbie_d

Link Posted 09/09/2010 - 14:36
Snootchies wrote:
This is a bit of a red herring - I've never seen the DA 35mmLTD referred to DAL. I can't imagine any confusion here.

I also cannot understand comments about this lens being slow. f2.4 is not slow at all.

My thoughts exactly.
If you can't say something nice about Pentax, you won't say anything at all.

Apparently.

flossie

Link Posted 09/09/2010 - 14:37
Snootchies wrote:
I also cannot understand comments about this lens being slow. f2.4 is not slow at all.

Its at least 1 if not 1.5 stops off being fast.
Still shooting in the dark (literally and metaphorically)...

Anvh

Link Posted 09/09/2010 - 14:41
Yeah an f/2 or f/1.8 would have been better but if the price is right I can forgive them and call it a fast lens
Stefan


K10D, K5
DA* 16-50, DA* 50-135, D-FA 100 Macro, DA 40 Ltd, DA 18-55
AF-540FGZ

thoughton

Link Posted 09/09/2010 - 14:42
flossie wrote:
Snootchies wrote:
I also cannot understand comments about this lens being slow. f2.4 is not slow at all.

Its at least 1 if not 1.5 stops off being fast.

Eh?

If you are comparing it to a 35mm f1.4 lens then yes, I suppose you could say that at 1.5 stops slower this is a slow lens. But Canon and Nikon 35/1.4 lenses cost around 1300 each. I don't think anyone will be comparing them.
Tim
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Last Edited by thoughton on 09/09/2010 - 14:43

robbie_d

Link Posted 09/09/2010 - 14:43
flossie wrote:
Snootchies wrote:
I also cannot understand comments about this lens being slow. f2.4 is not slow at all.

Its at least 1 if not 1.5 stops off being fast.

That's as maybe, but the question was whether it's fair to call it slow, not whether it can be called fast.
If you can't say something nice about Pentax, you won't say anything at all.

Apparently.

Don

Link Posted 09/09/2010 - 14:43
thoughton wrote:
flossie wrote:
Quote:
I also cannot understand comments about this lens being slow. f2.4 is not slow at all.

Its at least 1 if not 1.5 stops off being fast.

Eh?

If you are comparing it to a 35mm f1.4 lens then yes, I suppose you could say it is 1.5 stops slower. But Canon and Nikon 35/1.4 lenses cost around 1300 each. I don't think anyone will be comparing them.

I will be if the pentax is sharper.....
Fired many shots. Didn't kill anything.
Last Edited by Don on 09/09/2010 - 14:44

flossie

Link Posted 09/09/2010 - 14:48
thoughton wrote:
flossie wrote:
Quote:
I also cannot understand comments about this lens being slow. f2.4 is not slow at all.

Its at least 1 if not 1.5 stops off being fast.

Eh?

If you are comparing it to a 35mm f1.4 lens then yes, I suppose you could say that at 1.5 stops slower this is a slow lens. But Canon and Nikon 35/1.4 lenses cost around 1300 each. I don't think anyone will be comparing them.

You should be comparing with the Canon 35mm f2 or the Nikon 35mm f1.8 - both under 200, same focal length, significantly lower "headline" f-stop.

(I'm not saying they are pin-sharp at that, but the Pentax is a complete unknown at present...)

To call something "fast" it needs to be significantly under F2. Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of Pentax bringing out cheap introductory primes, but don't claim they are something they are not...


The kit lens goes down to what, F3.5? Going to F2.4 from that isn't going to produce a dramatic difference in DoF to an inexperienced shooter. F1.7 would, though...
Still shooting in the dark (literally and metaphorically)...
Last Edited by flossie on 09/09/2010 - 14:50

thoughton

Link Posted 09/09/2010 - 14:49
Yeah, but f2.4 to f2 isn't "1 to 1.5 stops"
Tim
AF - Pentax K5, Sigma 10-20/4-5.6, Tamron 17-50/2.8, Sigma 30/1.4, Sigma 70-200/2.8, Tamron 70-300/4-5.6
MF - Vivitar CF 28/2.8, Tamron AD2 90/2.5, MTO 1000/11
Stuff - Metz 58 AF1, Cactus v4, Nikon SB24, Raynox 150, Sigma 1.4x TC, Sigma 2x TC, Kenko 2x macro TC, Redsnapper 283 tripod, iMac 27, Macbook Pro 17, iPad, iPhone 3G
Flickr Fluidr PPG Street Portfolio site
Feel free to edit any of my posted photos! If I post a photo for critique, I want brutal honesty. If you don't like it, please say so and tell me why!

Don

Link Posted 09/09/2010 - 14:50
still, it is faster than any kit lens......
Fired many shots. Didn't kill anything.
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