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Composition Question(s)

Aitch53
Posted 01/03/2018 - 08:51 Link
I’ve just been looking at womble’s ‘Two takes on the same image’ images/thread and it set me to thinking. I like the image, but…

Something about it niggled. Then I realised what - in my opinion, the image looks better flipped. That way the lead-in lines seem to flow better. This in turn set me thinking about composition and learned behaviour.

I am English and English is my native language. In English we learn to read left-to-right, which presumably feeds into the concepts of composition we learn. However, I’m also right-handed and I’ve also noticed that some younger children who are left handed try to write right-to-left.

So, a couple of questions:

1. Are there any members of the board whose native language reads right-to-left (or bottom-to-top)? And does it affect how the leading lines in an image work best for them?
2. Any left-handers who feel something/anything similar?

Or is it just me?

Oh, and I'm not dissing womble or his image/composition, just using it as an example.
SteveH!

Some people call me 'strange'.
I prefer 'unconventional'.
But I'm willing to compromise and accept 'eccentric'.
bforbes
Posted 01/03/2018 - 09:09 Link
I'm left handed but I think I still read an image left to right and I'm not adverse to flipping an image if I think it looks better.

https://www.pentaxuser.com/forum/topic/artistic-licence-or-taking-a-liberty-5937...

Your observation about the children writing could be a brain thing, but it could be just practical. When you write left handed your hand obscures what your doing, so the children might be trying to overcome that. Normally left handers would turn the page at right angles or write with a pronounced backward slope
womble
Posted 01/03/2018 - 09:55 Link
Interesting question, and one I think I have come across before. With this particular image I couldn't flip it simply because I know the scene so well it would just scream "wrong", but I can see that someone who knew nothing about this particular location might well prefer it back-to-front.

There is an excavation report which has a reconstruction on the front cover which has been flipped to fit the cover design better, but to anyone who knows the site it just looks wrong!

I'm interested to see what others think. K.
Kris Lockyear
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womble
Posted 01/03/2018 - 10:11 Link
Just so everyone can see what we mean:

The original image:

Comment Image

snowing (2) par Kris Lockyear, on ipernity

The image flipped:

Comment Image

snowing (backwards) par Kris Lockyear, on ipernity
Kris Lockyear
It is an illusion that photos are made with the camera… they are made with the eye, heart and head. Henri Cartier-Bresson
Lots of film bodies, a couple of digital ones, too many lenses (mainly older glass) and a Horseman LE 5x4.

My website
derek897
Posted 01/03/2018 - 11:18 Link
I'm not adverse to flipping an image if it works better, but I wouldn't flip this one.
Might be just me but I prefer the unflipped one.
I know what i like, If not always why.
johnha
Posted 01/03/2018 - 11:20 Link
I prefer the original 'top' image, although in this case they both work as the bottom one could have been taken from the other side of the gate.

Composition is such a personal thing, but the best book I've seen on it is 'The Image' by Michael Freeman.
Edited by johnha: 01/03/2018 - 11:22
richandfleur
Posted 01/03/2018 - 12:08 Link
What a neat discussion.

Amusing watching myself ‘read’ both those images quite differently 🤔
johnriley
Posted 01/03/2018 - 12:55 Link
I realised when looking at these that I scanned both of them the same way. The first one I looked first at the posts and the gap between them, then my eye flooated on the the left to take in the gate. With the second I looked at the gate first and then backtracked along, now my eye was moving away from the image and out to the left.

So the first image pulls me in and the second one allows me to drift out. I prefer the first image, and I think for the reason just mentioned. If my eye scanned a different way (right handed vs left handed?) I might prefer the other.

Does this right hand/left hand theory hold up for others? I'm right handed and prefer image 1. Do left handed members prefer image 2?
Best regards, John
Edited by johnriley: 01/03/2018 - 12:55
Aitch53
Posted 01/03/2018 - 13:00 Link
As I said, I'm right-handed and prefer #2.

Also, I'm right eye dominant, if that makes a difference.
SteveH!

Some people call me 'strange'.
I prefer 'unconventional'.
But I'm willing to compromise and accept 'eccentric'.
Edited by Aitch53: 01/03/2018 - 13:01
bforbes
Posted 01/03/2018 - 13:15 Link
derek897 wrote:
I'm not adverse to flipping an image if it works better, but I wouldn't flip this one.
Might be just me but I prefer the unflipped one.

johnha wrote:
I prefer the original 'top' image, although in this case they both work as the bottom one could have been taken from the other side of the gate.

Composition is such a personal thing, but the best book I've seen on it is 'The Image' by Michael Freeman.

It must be personal, as I prefer the second. If it was determined subconsciously would we all pick the same?
derek897
Posted 01/03/2018 - 13:21 Link
Can you set up a poll for this one ?

I'm right handed and right eye dominant and I prefer the first.
I know what i like, If not always why.
Aitch53
Posted 01/03/2018 - 13:27 Link
bforbes wrote:
derek897 wrote:
I'm not adverse to flipping an image if it works better, but I wouldn't flip this one.
Might be just me but I prefer the unflipped one.

johnha wrote:
I prefer the original 'top' image, although in this case they both work as the bottom one could have been taken from the other side of the gate.

Composition is such a personal thing, but the best book I've seen on it is 'The Image' by Michael Freeman.

It must be personal, as I prefer the second. If it was determined subconsciously would we all pick the same?

Just to make things more complicated, could it also depend on which one you see first?

Or even, how recently you read a book on composition?
SteveH!

Some people call me 'strange'.
I prefer 'unconventional'.
But I'm willing to compromise and accept 'eccentric'.
bforbes
Posted 01/03/2018 - 14:05 Link
Aitch53 wrote:
Or even, how recently you read a book on composition?

IAEFRTFM
derek897
Posted 01/03/2018 - 14:42 Link
Aitch53 wrote:
bforbes wrote:
Quote:
I'm not adverse to flipping an image if it works better, but I wouldn't flip this one.
Might be just me but I prefer the unflipped one.

johnha wrote:
I prefer the original 'top' image, although in this case they both work as the bottom one could have been taken from the other side of the gate.

Composition is such a personal thing, but the best book I've seen on it is 'The Image' by Michael Freeman.

It must be personal, as I prefer the second. If it was determined subconsciously would we all pick the same?

Just to make things more complicated, could it also depend on which one you see first?

Or even, how recently you read a book on composition?

I've never read one, would that not mess up the results
I know what i like, If not always why.
Algernon
Posted 01/03/2018 - 16:06 Link
The only way to answer this correctly/exactly/precisely is to flip a coin

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