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Posted 28/03/2020 - 10:46
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It will be interesting to see whether some people's desire to get rid of paperbacks is matched by other people's desire to acquire them.
Steve
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Posted 28/03/2020 - 10:55
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Lubbyman wrote:
It will be interesting to see whether some people's desire to get rid of paperbacks is matched by other people's desire to acquire them.
Steve
It will be interesting to see whether some people's desire to get rid of paperbacks is matched by other people's desire to acquire them.
Steve
O ye of little faith!!
Interesting point, though.
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Posted 28/03/2020 - 11:41
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Interesting!
I'm becoming very paranoid over touching things! I ordered a book Masters of Street Photography as its a genre I struggle with so thought it'd be good to read up on. It arrived 2 days ago and it was left "as it came" in the conservatory as I read the virus should be dead by then. Obviously the inside book would have been untouched for over 48hrs but the packaging would have been touched by the postie, the sorting office etc. When it was opened this morning it was rubber gloves time and anti bac wiped down, the packaging disposed of and the book quarantined inside now for a further 48hrs.
All post and parcels coming into the house are subjected to the same procedure.
Fast forward to your post and I can see the community spirit in it but if someone comes along with the virus and picks up the book, reads the back and puts it back then here is an area where it can now be transmitted.
Probably not going to happen but right now we can't be taking any chances so the idea is good in normal climates but where we are right now, I'll pass!!
I'm becoming very paranoid over touching things! I ordered a book Masters of Street Photography as its a genre I struggle with so thought it'd be good to read up on. It arrived 2 days ago and it was left "as it came" in the conservatory as I read the virus should be dead by then. Obviously the inside book would have been untouched for over 48hrs but the packaging would have been touched by the postie, the sorting office etc. When it was opened this morning it was rubber gloves time and anti bac wiped down, the packaging disposed of and the book quarantined inside now for a further 48hrs.
All post and parcels coming into the house are subjected to the same procedure.
Fast forward to your post and I can see the community spirit in it but if someone comes along with the virus and picks up the book, reads the back and puts it back then here is an area where it can now be transmitted.
Probably not going to happen but right now we can't be taking any chances so the idea is good in normal climates but where we are right now, I'll pass!!
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Posted 28/03/2020 - 11:53
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cardiffgareth wrote:
Interesting!
I'm becoming very paranoid over touching things! I ordered a book Masters of Street Photography as its a genre I struggle with so thought it'd be good to read up on. It arrived 2 days ago and it was left "as it came" in the conservatory as I read the virus should be dead by then. Obviously the inside book would have been untouched for over 48hrs but the packaging would have been touched by the postie, the sorting office etc. When it was opened this morning it was rubber gloves time and anti bac wiped down, the packaging disposed of and the book quarantined inside now for a further 48hrs.
All post and parcels coming into the house are subjected to the same procedure.
Fast forward to your post and I can see the community spirit in it but if someone comes along with the virus and picks up the book, reads the back and puts it back then here is an area where it can now be transmitted.
Probably not going to happen but right now we can't be taking any chances so the idea is good in normal climates but where we are right now, I'll pass!!
Interesting!
I'm becoming very paranoid over touching things! I ordered a book Masters of Street Photography as its a genre I struggle with so thought it'd be good to read up on. It arrived 2 days ago and it was left "as it came" in the conservatory as I read the virus should be dead by then. Obviously the inside book would have been untouched for over 48hrs but the packaging would have been touched by the postie, the sorting office etc. When it was opened this morning it was rubber gloves time and anti bac wiped down, the packaging disposed of and the book quarantined inside now for a further 48hrs.
All post and parcels coming into the house are subjected to the same procedure.
Fast forward to your post and I can see the community spirit in it but if someone comes along with the virus and picks up the book, reads the back and puts it back then here is an area where it can now be transmitted.
Probably not going to happen but right now we can't be taking any chances so the idea is good in normal climates but where we are right now, I'll pass!!
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Posted 28/03/2020 - 11:54
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Posted 28/03/2020 - 12:41
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According to the Daily Express newspapers (and I suppose by extension magazines and books) are sterile due to the printing ink and paper processing, so cannot transmit viruses. But they would say that wouldn’t they?
I like the idea of a book swop box I seem to recall something of a national movement for this, there is one in the local railway station for instance.
I like the idea of a book swop box I seem to recall something of a national movement for this, there is one in the local railway station for instance.
Posted 28/03/2020 - 13:12
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RobL wrote:
According to the Daily Express newspapers (and I suppose by extension magazines and books) are sterile due to the printing ink and paper processing, so cannot transmit viruses. But they would say that wouldn’t they?
I like the idea of a book swop box I seem to recall something of a national movement for this, there is one in the local railway station for instance.
According to the Daily Express newspapers (and I suppose by extension magazines and books) are sterile due to the printing ink and paper processing, so cannot transmit viruses. But they would say that wouldn’t they?
I like the idea of a book swop box I seem to recall something of a national movement for this, there is one in the local railway station for instance.
I would feel tainted if I had touched The Daily Express.
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Posted 28/03/2020 - 14:24
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RobL wrote:
According to the Daily Express newspapers (and I suppose by extension magazines and books) are sterile due to the printing ink and paper processing, so cannot transmit viruses. But they would say that wouldn’t they?
I like the idea of a book swop box I seem to recall something of a national movement for this, there is one in the local railway station for instance.
According to the Daily Express newspapers (and I suppose by extension magazines and books) are sterile due to the printing ink and paper processing, so cannot transmit viruses. But they would say that wouldn’t they?
I like the idea of a book swop box I seem to recall something of a national movement for this, there is one in the local railway station for instance.
I would hold very little faith in that.
Yes freshly made paper & printing ink is likely to be sterile (paper is typically bleached & printing inks contain loads of nasty chemicals) but I don't see this produces any protection from surface contamination later in it's life.
The risk certainly isn't high & and will go away after a few days, so it's not something I'd worry about. Using baskets/trollys at the super market is a much greater risk IMO.
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Posted 28/03/2020 - 14:58 - Helpful Comment
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cardiffgareth wrote:
Interesting!
I'm becoming very paranoid over touching things!
Interesting!
I'm becoming very paranoid over touching things!
Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get you...
Seriously, though, if you want to contaminate half a town, contaminate the postman. Or the courier. Or anyone else whose job is to go from door to door. They are all taking precautions, both to protect the public and protect themselves. But with something as infectious as this virus, just one slip up in 100 is a big problem. And we all slip up from time to time (and much more often than we think we do).
The general principle in safety is to think in terms of barriers. None are perfect, but enough barriers can do the job OK. So for post and other deliveries, the postman's precautions are the first barrier. Your precautions are the second. If you're concerned, treat it as if it's contaminated (although it probably won't be). Nothing is so urgent that it can't be left a few days (that's been my approach to life for years...:wink, so leave it for 3 days. The contents will have already been hanging around for a few days before you receive it, so no need to clean the inside of a letter or parcel (a third barrier) unless you're really, really concerned. Plastic and other smooth surfaces seems to be the worst, the beastie takes about 3 days to die off. It seems to take a day to die on cardboard, so paper is probably about the same.
Back to community-spirited book donors... Take a plastic bag, pinch bottom (the bag's bottom:wink between fingers, turn bag inside out around hand so it's like a mitten, pick up book, use other hand to pull bag over book, carry book home in bag. Responsible dog owners will recognise the technique - but don't put book in waste bin when you get home! Leave it in bag for a few days then read and enjoy. You can use the same technique to handle the Daily Express if you wish, it's up to you whether you then read and enjoy...
Steve
PS: Yes, the handles of supermarket baskets and trolleys are a good route for passing the virus around. I'm surprised they don't have staff disinfeting them after use.
Posted 28/03/2020 - 15:54
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Very good posts chaps
Steve I recognise that responsible dog owner technique and a good tip
Went shopping last Tuesday, anti bac wipes at the ready and did the trolley handle fully just in case.
Next week I'm on the stand by list and the week after I'm back in work - a primary school no less! Asked the government minister for education how I am supposed to keep safe and stay 2 metres away from pupils as well as get them to stay 2 metres away from each other but my public post seems to have disappeared! Ordered myself 100 disposable gloves they use in car garages as they're anti sweat to wear and I'll be bringing my own anti bac wipes and hand gel to periodically clean down the classroom. No point ordering a mask as I'm a bearded man so they're useless. The shopping trip home procedure will then apply:
Call my wife from a zip sealed bagged mobile phone on car dash when on drive. Get out of car and disinfect hands, the steering wheel, controls, inside and outside door handles and car keys. Whilst I'm doing this my wife turns the shower on and brings my dressing gown down. Inside the front door, full strip and all clothes in the wash, straight up to the shower and showered. Dressing gown and towel then brought back down in a carrier bag and added to the wash. Washing machine on and hands / arms rewashed and then relax!
Steve I recognise that responsible dog owner technique and a good tip
Went shopping last Tuesday, anti bac wipes at the ready and did the trolley handle fully just in case.
Next week I'm on the stand by list and the week after I'm back in work - a primary school no less! Asked the government minister for education how I am supposed to keep safe and stay 2 metres away from pupils as well as get them to stay 2 metres away from each other but my public post seems to have disappeared! Ordered myself 100 disposable gloves they use in car garages as they're anti sweat to wear and I'll be bringing my own anti bac wipes and hand gel to periodically clean down the classroom. No point ordering a mask as I'm a bearded man so they're useless. The shopping trip home procedure will then apply:
Call my wife from a zip sealed bagged mobile phone on car dash when on drive. Get out of car and disinfect hands, the steering wheel, controls, inside and outside door handles and car keys. Whilst I'm doing this my wife turns the shower on and brings my dressing gown down. Inside the front door, full strip and all clothes in the wash, straight up to the shower and showered. Dressing gown and towel then brought back down in a carrier bag and added to the wash. Washing machine on and hands / arms rewashed and then relax!
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Posted 28/03/2020 - 16:10
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Good grief!
I open parcels when they arrive, only had two lately but they were still opened on arrival. Waved at the delivery person who stood back from the door. Same with the post. I do wash my hands after handling it.
I am over 60 and His Nibs over 70, so I am the designated shopper sadly. Not my favourite thing. They count us in and out of the shop so there aren't too many inside, and you have to use a trolley. Here we only have to be 1.5 mteres apart. SInce we only use the car for the weekly shopping run I don't wipe it down after a trip.
Back to the photo I think it is a lovely idea. There are a few book exchange/free lbraries round here. People often have a cupboard at the end of their drive full of books. Still have them and people still use them even in the current times.
Same with the egg and milk machines.
Are the schools going back in the UK already Gareth? Here they are closed until after Easter at least, but probably that will be extended. All exams have been cancelled. Since here the exam result is based largely on schoolwork/school set exams with a central written exam as well, the school is what counts this year. Good for some, not so good for others. No graduation ceremonies, or parties. Sad for the kids.
My grandsons are both working from home online.
I open parcels when they arrive, only had two lately but they were still opened on arrival. Waved at the delivery person who stood back from the door. Same with the post. I do wash my hands after handling it.
I am over 60 and His Nibs over 70, so I am the designated shopper sadly. Not my favourite thing. They count us in and out of the shop so there aren't too many inside, and you have to use a trolley. Here we only have to be 1.5 mteres apart. SInce we only use the car for the weekly shopping run I don't wipe it down after a trip.
Back to the photo I think it is a lovely idea. There are a few book exchange/free lbraries round here. People often have a cupboard at the end of their drive full of books. Still have them and people still use them even in the current times.
Same with the egg and milk machines.
Are the schools going back in the UK already Gareth? Here they are closed until after Easter at least, but probably that will be extended. All exams have been cancelled. Since here the exam result is based largely on schoolwork/school set exams with a central written exam as well, the school is what counts this year. Good for some, not so good for others. No graduation ceremonies, or parties. Sad for the kids.
My grandsons are both working from home online.
Posted 28/03/2020 - 16:23
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Here in the UK the official line were schools closed but in reality the schools remained open for children who's parents are frontline workers, vulnerable children and children in receipt of free school meals although the parents who's children receive free school meals and some parents whose children are identified as vulnerable kept them home and didn't want them going to school so it's mainly just front line worker children.
What was good was that because of this the numbers were very, very low and you were looking at probably less than 20 children within the school so easy to maintain smaller groups therefore reducing the risk to staff but now the local authorities have decided that this is a drain on resources as they have to open all schools. Now they are closing smaller schools and the larger local school will then be a hub school, so they pool all the children together so that there will be more children under one roof. The downside to this is now the number of children increases so therefore the classes are going to be a larger so the risk to the teaching staff is now much greater.
In my message to the education minister I said we were collateral damage, especially when we don't have the proper cleaning equipment, personal protection or ability to remain 2m away from pupils but this "disappeared" online.
The government line is that it is very unlikely children will infect one other because they don't seem to be affected by this virus like adults are but they have clearly forgotten that children do not teach themselves...
What was good was that because of this the numbers were very, very low and you were looking at probably less than 20 children within the school so easy to maintain smaller groups therefore reducing the risk to staff but now the local authorities have decided that this is a drain on resources as they have to open all schools. Now they are closing smaller schools and the larger local school will then be a hub school, so they pool all the children together so that there will be more children under one roof. The downside to this is now the number of children increases so therefore the classes are going to be a larger so the risk to the teaching staff is now much greater.
In my message to the education minister I said we were collateral damage, especially when we don't have the proper cleaning equipment, personal protection or ability to remain 2m away from pupils but this "disappeared" online.
The government line is that it is very unlikely children will infect one other because they don't seem to be affected by this virus like adults are but they have clearly forgotten that children do not teach themselves...
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Posted 28/03/2020 - 19:31
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'Collateral damage' is perhaps a bit strong. Medical staff are at much, much higher risk than you would be, but they all seem to be willing to take the risk even if they don't have all the right protective equipment yet. And my younger daughter normally does supply teaching at primary schools (which has of course dried up) and she has volunteered to teach during the epidemic if they run short of full time teachers.
FWIW, my GP daughter is not sending her children to school although they are entitled to go. My neighbour, who works at a hospital, is also not sending her kids to school. Both can do so because their husbands are working at home. The message seems to have got round the medical professionals that kids should not go to school unless it is absolutely impossible to keep them at home.
Children do not teach themselves? All the bad habits my children developed were learned from other kids, not their parents (or teachers)!!!
Back to books - I like the idea of putting books in a cupboard at the end of the drive. It would free up some of the vast amount of space in the house that is taken up by books that will never be read again.
Steve
FWIW, my GP daughter is not sending her children to school although they are entitled to go. My neighbour, who works at a hospital, is also not sending her kids to school. Both can do so because their husbands are working at home. The message seems to have got round the medical professionals that kids should not go to school unless it is absolutely impossible to keep them at home.
Children do not teach themselves? All the bad habits my children developed were learned from other kids, not their parents (or teachers)!!!
Back to books - I like the idea of putting books in a cupboard at the end of the drive. It would free up some of the vast amount of space in the house that is taken up by books that will never be read again.
Steve
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I just thought it was a good idea.