Classifieds selling with images, compulsory??

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Link Posted 04/12/2011 - 09:51
Is it time to stipulate any sales should be accompanied by photos of what is actually being sold?

This would stop people sending money off only to find they are not getting a bargain that they thought they were. It would stop the clamour for images and the comments like, how do people expect to sell things without images of the items?

Pretty much everybody should be able to do this, and most already do.
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Link Posted 04/12/2011 - 10:03
Frankly I don't care how other people choose to sell their items. I've sold with and without images, and bought with and without. TBH the only time I really need to see an image is if there's a specific defect that the seller wants to draw buyer's attention to. Other than that, I would presume that the item will be as described... Perhaps it's just me but I feel that members here will be honest and fair in their dealings. More so than ebay for example.


Link Posted 04/12/2011 - 10:05
Obviously you have a beef about this Doug, but we're not in the business of telling people what they should and shouldn't do. The guidelines are provided, and Pentax User has no involvement or responsibility in sales. Caveat Emptor.

If the buyer wants to post a picture it may well be that they stand a better chance of selling. If they don't, it's their loss.

Always, caveat emptor. Let the buyer beware. It's just the same as a newspaper classified ad - the poster takes full responisiblity for what they post and the buyer takes full responsibility for how they respond to that.
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Link Posted 04/12/2011 - 10:05
Most people are honorable and trustworthy, unfortunately there are the odd few that spoil it for the rest of us
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Link Posted 04/12/2011 - 10:08
I agree with you on this Doug and I have pointed out to quite a few lazy sellers that they would stand a better chance of selling if they included a photo.

There's also the problem of fraud..... without a photo how do you know the item even exists? The photo doesn't prove anything but at least it gives a bit of reassurance.

Whilst we are on about Classifieds can something be done to give the buyer a little bit of protection against ID fraud, by insisting that all sellers accept bank transfers so that the money is at least traceable in the event of fraud and non of this cheque only nonsense.

This board is wide open at present for ID fraud. Advertise something... insist on a cheque.... ask for phone number in case of problems.... have address.... complete ID fraud Mothers maiden name would be handy?
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Link Posted 04/12/2011 - 10:19
I'm with doug on this one. I have oft seen, on ebay as much as anywhere in fairness, descriptions stating the lens is in immaculate condition then the photo shows dints and marks a plenty - one mans "Immaculate condition" is another mans "OMG what have you been doing with that lens"


Link Posted 04/12/2011 - 10:27
But buyers are entitled to ask for photos before they make an offer? If none is available they can walk away.

I think this might relate to a 'hypothetical situation' where there are two similar items which look similar but one is much more valuable than the other. Buyer comes along and, from the information offered, assumes the seller have mistakenly listed the higher value item at the lower price, and takes advantage of his mistake and makes an offer without asking any of the questions which would clarify what the item is, but which would also attract other potential buyers! So questions are asked behind the scenes and the buyer drops out when he finds the item isn't what he was hoping it was.

Re photos, what's to stop sellers using stock images or downloaded from ebay, or 'show the item in its best light' if they take the photo themselves? Ultimately you have to place some trust in the seller, and ask the right questions before parting with your


Link Posted 04/12/2011 - 10:41
Not a big beef, a sliver of pastrami maybe.

In 97.523%(unverified) of cases the seller offers to email photos, even if they haven't posted them to start with. Most of the time if there are no photos the question "photos?" is popped.

Why not accept the defacto state, that this expectation is just a part of selling stuff.
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Link Posted 04/12/2011 - 11:08
Location should also be mandatory for sellers. Country = minimum.
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Link Posted 04/12/2011 - 11:40
My two pennies.

While it's not in th rules, it's in the sellers best interest to put a photo up as they will probably get asked for one anyway. Again as mentioned this could be from another site would still not help with fraud. The more info provided by the seller, the quicker it's more likely to sell.

I'm also sure this works both ways and thats why most sellers will say that you need to pay up front and then they will send the goods. You wouldn't give you car key to someone and expect them to come back later with the cash !!

Try to always do some background checks, Membership Status and length, and previous sales comments.

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Link Posted 04/12/2011 - 11:42
I thought this is what folks do on the internet, create vibrant places that attract punters, develop specialised areas that have added value, then advertise the heart out of the punters and monetise the value added areas.

A well developed and "safe" area for trading seems to be healthy part of the site and is a good resource that I certainly refer to FIRST when looking for equipment, I just can't afford the premium of new-new kit very often, there will be many on the same boat.

The caveat will always apply to private trades but greasing the wheels and taking a turn has been around since time immemorial. You just have to provide value (safety, ease of searching, good shop window, standard formulae and layouts, blah blah) then slap a "subscription" against it, while selling advertising alongside it.

There are rules galore for posting here and upping the standards for the trading area doesn't seem to onerous, especially as in most cases, people do it anyway.
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Link Posted 04/12/2011 - 11:47
There are some people here I would buy from without a photo, without hesitation, and some I wouldn't.

I probably wouldn't buy on eBay without a photo, unless I had reason to trust the seller.

Personally, I don't think making anything mandatory for sellers is a good idea at all. You can tell quite a bit from what they do on their own initiative.


Link Posted 04/12/2011 - 14:58
I feel this forum is one of the most trustworthy sources for buying second hand equipment, but personally I wouldn't buy if there were no image.

I don't understand why sellers don't add photos as I think it can only help sell an item and possibly for a higher price.


Link Posted 04/12/2011 - 16:45
I suppose that of all the places to sell equipment, members of a photographic "club" should be able to furnish photographs.

Traceability really comes down to member honesty - I mean how does anyone know, for sure, that I come from Byker afterall last week my ISP/Google seemed to think I live in Basingstoke, this week its in Bath



Link Posted 04/12/2011 - 18:37
that poll is a waste of time, a photo only proves an item exists, might not be the one that you get though ( just to add to the paranoia )and if it is when did the photo prove the item worked.
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