Best of bad job - budget flatbed scanner advice


mattie

Link Posted 18/02/2011 - 22:40
The missus is buying a cheap flatbed scanner to digitise some old photos and documents for her folks. As this isn't going to be a 'photography toy' she's only planning on spending only around 60-70, however I thought I'd ask if there are any models that lend them selves to negative scanning of any quality.

I note John Lewis have a G2710 for 65, would this be capable of reasonable negative scans?

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We're not hugely fussed by speed or noise, or by manual loading, but I'd like to get one capable of converting old slides and negs into passable digital images. I appreciate our budget is definitely at the budget end of the spectrum, but any advice greatly appreciated.

Cheers

johnriley

Link Posted 18/02/2011 - 23:28
The Summit PhotoFix scanner does 110 and 35mm and offers modest file sizes, at less than 100.00

Flatbed scanners don't make great negative scanners, especially not cheap ones.
Best regards, John

fatspider

Link Posted 18/02/2011 - 23:40
I bought a cheap 5mp film scanner, does a terrible job but good enough to put on facebook and embarass the kids
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Aero

Link Posted 19/02/2011 - 00:16
This does the best job I've come across short of a "proper" negative scanner: link.

If you want to spend more, check out the Plustek range. They're very good with negatives but, if you do a lot of work with slides, you may want something with greater dynamic range -- although any shortcomings won't be apparent in most cases.

Al

Don

Link Posted 19/02/2011 - 00:17
for the prints and documents, use your camera.
get two lamps set them up at 45 degs off either side, do a white balance off a sheet of paper... set your exposure manually (you can do both white balance and exposure with a kodak greycard).
for the negs use a dedicated neg scanner. There are some cheap models out there.
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Smeggypants

Link Posted 19/02/2011 - 02:00
Aero wrote:
This does the best job I've come across short of a "proper" negative scanner: link.

If you want to spend more, check out the Plustek range. They're very good with negatives but, if you do a lot of work with slides, you may want something with greater dynamic range -- although any shortcomings won't be apparent in most cases.

Al

Yup, I've got a PLustek Opticfilm 7500i - bundled software is crap so I use Vuescan which is brilliant.

Regarding slides I always thought they captured a lot less dynamic range than negative film. 6EV instead of 10EV.

I always output 16bit TIFFs from the scanner to allow for any further digital manipulation to preserve quality
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Aero

Link Posted 19/02/2011 - 03:02
Smeggypants wrote:

Regarding slides I always thought they captured a lot less dynamic range than negative film. 6EV instead of 10EV.

Sorry, what I should have said was DMax rather than dynamic range -- the scanner's ability to resolve detail in the darkest part of the slide.

The Plustek is highly regarded and I've always fancied one, but can't justify the price for the number of negs/slides I'd scan. Glad you're happy with yours, Smeggy.

Al

Smeggypants

Link Posted 19/02/2011 - 04:57
Aero wrote:
Smeggypants wrote:

Regarding slides I always thought they captured a lot less dynamic range than negative film. 6EV instead of 10EV.

Sorry, what I should have said was DMax rather than dynamic range -- the scanner's ability to resolve detail in the darkest part of the slide.

The Plustek is highly regarded and I've always fancied one, but can't justify the price for the number of negs/slides I'd scan. Glad you're happy with yours, Smeggy.

Al

I've got about 10k negs to scan. Very long term project
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mattie

Link Posted 19/02/2011 - 10:15
Thanks all

Comments suggest that it's a bit of a non-starter to get a flatbed for neg scanning, especially at the cheaper end of the spectrum. We decided the best way was just to get a cheapie ebay flatbed scanner for the missus' immediate task (just won a HP 2400 for 7.50!), and I'll look into a higher quality negative scanner at a later date.

Horses for courses, but I'd have been spitting feathers if we'd spent 60-odd on what looked a decent flatbed only to find a few quid more on something else would have sorted the neg scanning.

Cheers all!
Matt

Smeggypants

Link Posted 19/02/2011 - 15:34
You need a back light to scan negatives/slides, which flatbeds don't have
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Algernon

Link Posted 19/02/2011 - 16:01
Smeggypants wrote:
You need a back light to scan negatives/slides, which flatbeds don't have

The specialised Photo models by Epson etc. do have a back light and they come complete with neg. carriers. Probably all that's needed for 120 roll film or 5x4.
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xbow

Link Posted 19/02/2011 - 16:03
Some of the Canon flatbeds have a slide attachment as well. I have one at work although never used it that way.

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Don

Link Posted 19/02/2011 - 16:23
Algernon wrote:
Smeggypants wrote:
You need a back light to scan negatives/slides, which flatbeds don't have

The specialised Photo models by Epson etc. do have a back light and they come complete with neg. carriers. Probably all that's needed for 120 roll film or 5x4.

my epson photo scanner 1660 does a very good job, just don't expect to make huge enlargements....... 5x7 is good 8x10 pushing your luck... bigger than that you're better off using a slide/neg duplicator on your d-slr...
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Last Edited by Don on 19/02/2011 - 16:24
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