Af 360 FGZ Flash


Anonymous

Link Posted 25/06/2003 - 11:15
has anyone used one of these on the MZ-s am looking atpurchasing and am comparing the 360 with the 500. any thoughts appreciated.

ShotGun

Link Posted 09/09/2003 - 05:03
Hi bossman,

IMO, I don't see huge advantages of the 360 over the 500, other than having a wireless, off-camera TTL feature. I also don't understand why they have to remove the swivel feature for the 360 and the guide number is smaller than that of the 500. I find the swivel useful in portrait-oriented shots and bounce flash.

I could be wrong, but I personally prefer the 500 over the 360 in most scenarious.

Just my .2 cents!
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ShotGun

Link Posted 09/09/2003 - 05:09
I forgot to add the 360 allows high-speed sync, which is a plus over 500
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MattMatic

Link Posted 09/09/2003 - 10:07
Just my observations...

I have found the AF360 to be a superb gun. Built in diffuser to 20mm, built in catch light reflector, built in 'trigger-eye' (so it works even with my little Canon S30 digicam).

It seems more substantial and better built than a lot of the guns I've seen, has a nice backlit LCD display, and well... just works

As for swivel etc, I rootled around and found a set of Pentax flash leads which solves my problem with the Z1 and MZ5. Just looking forward to wireless flash facilities with the *istD

Matt
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Anonymous

Link Posted 10/09/2003 - 16:11
Hi Matt,

I'm glad to see you contribute your findings regarding the strengths of the 360 flash. Just a bit curious though, what do you mean exactly by:

Quote:

As for swivel etc, I rootled around and found a set of Pentax flash leads which solves my problem with the Z1 and MZ5

Can I assume that you have found a solution for the lack of swivel feature? If so, do you mind sharing to us how and where did you get over it?

Many thanks in advance.

ShotGun.

MattMatic

Link Posted 11/09/2003 - 10:13
Hi ShotGun,

Thanks for the message... I just take the flash off-camera. Either I hold it by hand, mount on a tripod, or use a "generic" flash bracket that has a swivel feature on the bracket

You need Hotshoe Adaptor F (which plugs into the camera's hotshoe), or Fg (depending on the camera model), and extension cord 5P or F5P (1m or 3m), and off camera adaptor F which goes on the flash.

The bad news is the set costs nearly half as much as the AF360! Check out the Pentax User "Price List".

The good news is you can often find them second hand (places like www.mxv.co.uk and www.ffordes.co.uk and www.parkcameras.com occassionally get them). There are other UK based second hand dealers. Try Jessops too.

They're well worth it and increase the creative possibilities if you haven't got wireless flash facilities.

Hope that helps,
Matt
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ShotGun

Link Posted 12/09/2003 - 06:27
Matt,

Thanks a lot for the tips. If ever I get hold of that flash, most likely I'll do the same (ie. mount it on another tripod / rack or just hold it in another hand ).

Personally, this is my only gripe on the on the AF360's design (the lack of swivel), but I guess you can get the same effect when having it off-camera like what you've described. I really liked its wireless, off-camera TTL feature.

BTW, I'm very glad I've finally found a 'small' Pentax community with you guys who are welcoming and helpful. I'll be looking forward of visiting this forum as often as I can for updates.

Have you heard of the name Roland Mabo? This guy was (and I think still) famous in one of the U.S.-based Pentax discussion forums I used to visit some 4 years ago..... but after some PC upgrades I lost track of the website link .

Thanks again and have a nice day.
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MattMatic

Link Posted 12/09/2003 - 13:17
Hi again ShotGun,

Yes, it's a nice cosy forum here (And a very good signal-to-noise ratio - I like it)

Roland Mabo was on http://www.algonet.se/~rolamo but that seems a dead link now.
However, I found a mailing list: http://www.pdml.net/ (which had Roland's name from 2001)
Plus a gallery: http://pug.komkon.org
However, I found Roland on the www.fotosidan.se forum from earlier this year, with his (Swedish) details as follows: http://www.fotosidan.se/member/view.htm?ID=15698

So there you go... a little trip around the 'net, but still no Roland

When you hold the AF360 you'll see what a substantial beast it is - I doubt there was any room to fit in a swivel Oh yes, works wonderfully with NiMH 2000mA batteries - it just goes on, and on, and on, and on...

Regards,
Matt[/i]
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Stephen

Link Posted 13/09/2003 - 06:58
Hi Matt / ShotGun,

I've been following your thread here with avid interest. To date I have relied on my older Pentax flashguns (AF280t / AF400t) with my MZ-s and MZ5n. Results have been good but I was wondering which way to leap for a fully AF compatible gun - I had been tempted by a secondhand 500 locally but think now that I will seek out a 360.

Thanks for some very interesting and informative postings

Cheers
Stephen

ShotGun

Link Posted 14/09/2003 - 16:10
Matt,

Thanks for links!! I've enjoyed browsing them (and still picking up some useful info ).


Stephen,

IMHO, if your are planning to get a new gun, a used AF500 is not a bad choice, but if you can get the AF360 instead, I think you'd benefit more from it. Besides, I think it's the current cream-of-the-crop Pentax gun so you wouldn't have anything to worry about future Pentax bodies as I'm sure they will utilize the full potential of this gun.

For me, I've been using the AF500 for over 5 years now and have been very happy with it. For indoors I almost always use it in bounce mode with a little white plastic bounce card tied behind with a rubber band, or the Stofen omni bounce dome - which I used more often. The results has always been great with my MZ-3 and MZ-S, especially with films like Fuji NPS/NPH.

I think either gun will serve you well.... but for added features and high-speed sync I think your best bet would be the AF360..... again, just my .2 cents


Cheers to all.
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Stephen

Link Posted 14/09/2003 - 16:26
Hi ShotGun,

Thanks for your 2 cents - I think your opinions / experience is worth considerably more! I am currently tracking a secondhand 360, so fingers crossed I should be able to let you know my initial thoughts in a couple of weeks.

Cheers

Steve
Stephen

ShotGun

Link Posted 15/09/2003 - 06:30
Quote:

I am currently tracking a secondhand 360, so fingers crossed I should be able to let you know my initial thoughts in a couple of weeks.

Thanks!! Keep us posted. I am also considering of getting the AF360 if budget allows!!
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Anonymous

Link Posted 29/10/2003 - 10:04
Am I right in thinking that flash compensation can only be achieved on the MZ-S when used in conjunction with the 360 flash?
The Z-1P allowed this to be done on the body itself (and therefore in conjunction with any Pentax-dedicated TTL flash), but I think this functionality was moved out to the 360 flashgun when the MZ-S was launched.
If this feature is important to you, all the more reason to buy the 360 flash for use with your MZ-S.
Good luck!
Treve

MattMatic

Link Posted 29/10/2003 - 10:11
Treve,

The flash compensation function on the AF360FGZ is only available in P-TTL mode. This "preflash" TTL metering mode is available with the newer cameras (MZ-S, *ist, *istD).

However, the AF360FGZ does straight "legacy" TTL too, so you can use the body's feature, if it has it (my Z1 does not , you should be ok with the Z1p ).

Additionally, you can use manual mode on the AF360FGZ, and even use the built in slave "eye" to trigger off the pop-up flash of the camera. Indeed, I used this with a pocket digicam to great effect.

All in all, a beautiful flash gun, and worth its weight in gold, as they say.

Matt
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Lurach

Link Posted 30/10/2003 - 01:05
Hi all,

Was going to post this message on the Flash thread but then saw this conversation.

I'm awaiting delivery of the *ist D to my friendly dealer, but in the meantime I purchased the "360". Ordered it from Park Cameras on Monday and it arrived at lunch-time today -very good service. I've being "toying" with it today and am very impressed so far. Was really surprised at the fact that it is so light and compact.

One question comes to mind at this stage. You have the facility to manually set the ISO/ASA number for your film. Obviously this manual facility is necessary for some of the "older" bodies. However what I want to know is.....when you use it on, say, the *ist D or MZ-3, do these bodies over-ride the manual setting? For example, say I have the 360 set for ISO 100 and then put the gun onto my MZ-3 loaded with ISO 25 stock, will the MZ-3 temporarily set the ISO to 25 for the period that the gun resides on the MZ-3 body, returning the gun to ISO 100 when removed from the body?

Indeed if I take it a bit further, does P-TTL/TTL metering even need the correct ISO setting. Something in me says it does not but I may be wrong.
Lurach
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