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35mm film lenses and DSLR's

sportyman531
Posted 06/12/2010 - 10:51 Link
Hi All,

Later today I'm picking up my first DSLR, a Pentax KX with 18-55 and 50-200mm lenses which I secured a very good deal on.
However, I do want a prime lens or two for the wider maximum aperture so a 50mm f2 or f1.7 looks good.

Not having used Pentax cameras before (I have various Yashica/Contax and two Mamiya 645 1000S Cameras)my question is:

What is the difference between Pentax M amd Pentax A lenses?
Does one type give better image quality than the other?
Which type is more suitable for using with a DSLR or is there much difference?

Thanks in advance for any replies.

Steve
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Edited by sportyman531: 06/12/2010 - 10:59
thoughton
Posted 06/12/2010 - 10:56 - Helpful Comment Link
Pentax-M lenses are fully manual, so you will need to set the aperture on the lens and then use green button stop down metering to set exposure before you shoot.

Not sure what you mean by Pentax S lenses, perhaps you mean Pentax-A? Those ones are also manual focus, but auto aperture so you can use the camera in AV (and other) modes. These are easier to use on DSLRs (but still manual focus).

Pentax F, FA and DA are autofocus lenses.
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Joe S
Posted 06/12/2010 - 11:01 - Helpful Comment Link
Pentax S? Never heard about it, but it could be screw mount. That's an old format that you can still use but only with a converter and with limited functionality. Some fine glass around, though.

Pentax M is the more recent mount - you can mount the lens directly but no AF and metering requires some work.

I would look for Pentax A (pk-a). The A-50mm f1.7 or f2.0 are fine lenses that can be had for very little money. No AF on "A" lenses, but metering works.
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Edited by Joe S: 06/12/2010 - 11:01
sportyman531
Posted 06/12/2010 - 11:01 Link
Yes I did mean A lenses and thanks for the reply.
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Dangermouse
Posted 06/12/2010 - 11:14 - Helpful Comment Link
In general, any Pentax lens which is actually badged "Pentax" will fit and work with varying degrees of functionality. That goes from the original SMC Pentax range of the 1970s through to the present day.

The earlier M42 screw mount (badged Takumar) are great lenses but need an adapter to work on DSLRs, try to get a genuine one as 3rd party versions aren't usually as well made. Personally I keep them on the Spotmatic/SV as my K-m's light meter doesn't seem fond of them.

If there's a specific Takumar you like the look of then look for the SMC Pentax (not -M or -A, just SMC Pentax) version as these are effectively SMC Takumars with a K mount and need no adapter.

You might also see "Takumar Bayonet" - these were Pentax resurrecting the Takumar name on cheap lenses. They have a K mount as the bayonet name suggests but lack SMC coatings, so in my experience aren't as vibrant as other Pentax K mount lenses. There were also a few Pentax-badged lenses (all zooms IIRC) without SMC coatings which have similar problems. Just look for SMC on the lens body and you won't be wasting your money.

The only SMC Pentax lens to avoid is the F 35-80mm, it's slow, soft, and generally not very nice. The earlier F 35-70mm is equally compact but a lot better if you're after something in that focal range.
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johnriley
Posted 06/12/2010 - 11:39 Link
I think the big jump in convenience from F to FA lenses was that the earlier F series had a macro setting for close focus whereas the FA lenses tend to have continuous focusing to quite close distances.

On DSLRs any Pentax lens can be used, but some are much easier to use than others.
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hefty1
Posted 06/12/2010 - 16:09 - Helpful Comment Link
As others have mentioned, the differences between M and A lenses really boils down to ease/convenience of use; so to answer the other part of your question:

sportyman531 wrote:
Does one type give better image quality than the other?

No, not really. You may find reports where someone claims that the M version of this or the A version of that is better, but as a rule this is probably no more than sample variation and the way the particular lens has been handled/stored these last few decades.

For the sake of convenience and compatability stick to the A series, but if a really nice M comes around at a good price (and you're happy to work fully manually) then you won't be losing out in terms of image quality.
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rparmar
Posted 06/12/2010 - 19:46 Link
Older lenses may have poorer coatings. They will also not be optimised for digital sensors, which generally manifests itself as poorer micro-contrast. However, in other ways they are superior to your average digital lens: better build, better manual focus feel, etc.

If you are a manual-everything tactile shooter, get a recommended older lens and discover what they are like for yourself. You may find a new love!
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Hardgravity
Posted 06/12/2010 - 23:05 Link
Either the M or A f1.7 50mm lenses will give you good results.
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Dangermouse
Posted 06/12/2010 - 23:48 - Helpful Comment Link
Also worth a look for the older SMC Pentax 55mm (f1.8 or f2, they're the same lens but the f2 has a baffle to stop the aperture opening as wide) if you fancy a manual prime. These make brilliant short telephotos on digital and are incredibly sharp. Not as easy to find as the M 50mm f1.7 but if you see one cheaply then go for it.

You may also find that you can get hold of an old 50mm more cheaply by buying something like an ME Super/MV1 with one attached.
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Posted 06/12/2010 - 23:49 - Helpful Comment Link
Just about all old Primes can be great with digital. You may not get the sharpness, resolution or contrast as modern digital designed aspherical lenses, but don't let that put you off. Old lenses can, and are, great fun to use. They give you a different effect that you could not get with modern glass. There are people out there who are using 1930's Leica lenses (with adapter) on micro 4/3rds cameras and getting wonderful results.

As for the K-mount takumar, yes they don't have multi coating, but again they can be great fun to use. I have the 135mm f2.5 and I love it for certain things.

Best thing with photography is to have fun and experiment. If you buy and old lens for £20 and find it is not what you want, you can sell it again for £20.

Hope this helps.
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mmacleod
Posted 07/12/2010 - 08:50 Link
It looks like Im joining this club..

I have just ought the 100mm f4 Macro K Lens, which Im presuming is manual?
Im guessing that I have to use the green button stop down metering trick?
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Dangermouse
Posted 07/12/2010 - 13:48 Link
Yes, it is. That's an excellent lens, one of the models which carried on into the M series with just a change of lettering.

If you're starting from scratch then you may also need to set the camera to permit the use of the aperture ring and obviously switch to manual focus. Av mode will work but holds the lens at the largest aperture while metering, M mode is where you set aperture on the lens then use the green button to stop down and take a reading.
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rparmar
Posted 07/12/2010 - 13:48 Link
mmacleod wrote:
I have just ought the 100mm f4 Macro K Lens, which Im presuming is manual? Im guessing that I have to use the green button stop down metering trick?

Manual aperture and stop-down metering, yes. Or just put the camera in "M".
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Pentaxophile
Posted 07/12/2010 - 14:17 Link
Something I always forget is that M lenses will work in Av mode at their max. aperture. So if you buy a lens to use wide open, for minimal DOF effects or low light work, life is a lot easier!
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